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Impact tools physics

Tool recommendations, information on your favorite automatic and/or mechanical lockpicking devices for those with less skills, or looking to make their own.

Impact tools physics

Postby mcm757207 » 10 Feb 2011 23:23

Often times (such as in the 2005 TOOOL bumping white paper) Newton's 3rd law of motion is credited for making bumping and other impact tools (pick guns) work:

To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction: or the forces of two bodies on each other are always equal and are directed in opposite directions.


However, I'm not really a physics guy so I'm having some issues with this. I can see it being the case with a padlock rapping attack, for example, but not bumping. Wouldn't bumping (and pick guns) be taking advantage of the law of conservation of linear momentum? See this link.

What really makes this work?
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Re: Impact tools physics

Postby MBI » 11 Feb 2011 0:32

mcm151201 wrote:What really makes this work?


Magnets.
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Re: Impact tools physics

Postby MBI » 11 Feb 2011 0:51

Although seriously...

Newton's third law deals specifically with the reaction between two bodies. "The mutual forces of action and reaction between two bodies are equal, opposite and collinear."

Essentially it means that as the first item pushes into the second pin, the second item pushes back with equal force. This is what stops the first item in it's tracks (assuming it is of equal mass), and propels the second item away from the first, along the same direction of movement.

Apparently, anyways. I'm no physicist. Although I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
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Re: Impact tools physics

Postby mcm757207 » 11 Feb 2011 0:52

Makes sense, thanks MBI.
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Re: Impact tools physics

Postby maintenanceguy » 11 Feb 2011 13:05

I am a physics guy and there are lots of correct paths you can take to solve physics problems.

I personally don't like "for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction." I prefer:"for every force, there is an equal and opposite force." I don't know how to measure a reaction. I can measure force.
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