Sargent & Greenleaf Inc Padlock 8088

[lockmania]

Hi there this is miss locksmith and I am hoping someone here can help. I found this old padlock and am having a hard time cracking the code. I know it needs three numbers to open it up and am trying this formula but no luck so far. The numbers go up to 50 not 40 like the masterlocks and when i lift the latch to listen for any spring sounds while turning the dial, there are none except 28 and 49, 1.............Anyone here have any ideas as to how i can crack this thing. My brother-in-law will give me $20 if i crack it.

[CaptHook]

Yep, but cant tell ya. Think of it this way, some things are difficult for a reason.
Chuck

[Chucklz]

:Chuckles: The 8088 is a group 1 lock. Sorry, none of the master lock information you find will be even close to relevant, besides the obvious fact that the lock also has a dial. I am not going to tell you how to "crack" this lock, but I will offer the following from the factory original instructions.

The combination of this lock is set on 10-20-30 after final inspection at factory.
TO UNLOCK
1. Turn LEFT stopping when 10 is aligned with the index the FOURTH time.
2. Turn RIGHT stopping when 20 is aligned with the index the THIRD time.
3.Turn LEFT stopping when 30 is aligned with the index the SECOND time.
4. Turn RIGHT stopping when 0 is aligned with the index the FIRST time.
5. Pull shackle out.

[thertel]

I love posts like this....people asking for things with no posts, no introduction, no location information....Course I was like that once upon a time to soo.

Hi welcome to lockpicking101..A website on the internet dedicated to helping others learn lockpicking as a hobby/future career, and the sharing of information amongst those in the field.

And why do all suspicious posts of this nature always involved some sort of bet and a high security lock. Yup cus everyone has a <fill in the blank> -in-law who has a high security lock/combination lock who bets you can open it.

Thomas

[lockmania]

I "cracked" the combination lock in 9 minutes with my own formula. I am insulted that one person on here thinks I am somekind of lock thief. I am an honest woman with good ethics!!!!

[Romstar]

Be insulted all you like.

Unless you are referring to a PM sent directly to you, I can't find anything insulting here, and I would suggest that you read some more of the messages on this board to see some of the garbage we have had to put up with. This may explain why someone came down on you for the type of message you posted here.

The facts of the matter are that you came on here, and without so much as an introduction, a by your leave, or obviously without reading the rules and FAQs (which cover these sorts of things), you asked for opening information on a group 1 padlock.

We've had every sort of scoundrel come onto this forum and ask everything from how to I pick the front door to my neighbors house, to how do I steal his car.

Some are more creative than others, but the fact remains that come they do.

If any of these people were so inclined to read, they might discover a good part of the information and methods they are looking for. They are simply displaying the inherent laziness which led them to criminal activity in the first place. A lack of motivation to learn for themselves.

Generally these things require practice above everything else. Locks can be opened with safety pins, paper clips, and any other number of common objects. As the current idiocy over the Kensington and Kryptonite locks plainly display. Your combination pad lock is no different.
If you discovered a repeatable method for opening this lock, then congratulations. Perhaps in the future when you gain access to the advanced forums you might share it with others.

As for car openings, they simply aren't supposed to be discussed in the open forums. This is as much to protect us as it is to protect everyone else from the next car theft.

Thank you, and good luck in the future.
Romstar

[mbell]

If you honestly found the code to this padlock in nine minutes you have a gift.

The S & G series of commbination padlocks are up there amongst the most high security padlocks in the world.

[Chucklz]

About your "formula" You must have been really really lucky, or you know your brother well. These locks can, of course, have their combinations changed. Thats what that silly looking hole on the back is for. There is no forbidden zone, and even though I didnt mention it earlier, the dialing order can be reversed, or set to half numbers or any other manner of evil.

[thertel]

I was not trying to insult you, lockmania. I was merely stating the way I feel about posts of this natures after I having discovered what are essentially the Standard Operating Procedures of this fora.

If you took offense I'm sorry, but if you read the first sentence I even admitted that I did similiar posts before taking the time to read some more of the topics. That after I lurked for about 3 months, and I still opened with a topic that had I searched on more and read the guidelines, I would not have posted. A question about decombinating SFIC cores. So I was being understanding about the situation.

The second grouping was sort of a synopsis of what this forum is about and what it is for. Enough said.

The third statement is the flat out truth. How would you feel if you were a member of a group with access to information that was not readily available for the reason that it was used in secure applications. Say that you worked for ADT and I asked you how to circumvent an active alarm because the homeowner, who is my "client" and I am a "security consultant", doesn't think it is possible. Would you give that person a bypass method for the alarm without a lot of information to backup the claim, and even then you'd be out of your mind to give something like that out. We get these type of posts at least once a week if not more often, and most of the time the persons involvement with this forum ends upon them finding out that we wont give out the information or when they "solve" their situation.

So take it asyou will, but no insult is intended.

Thomas

[hzatorsk]

lockmania,

Consider chasing the S&G site for the 8077 combination padlock.

The 8088 you have was replaced by the 8077, but many of the concepts regarding this lock still hold true for both locks. Also look for these docs on their site:

8077 Operating and Recovery Instructions (combined)
8077 Dialing Tips

http://sglocks.com/prod_padlocks_8077ad.php

By the way... given the specs... I don't believe this to be a Group 1 lock.

• 30 minute protection against expert manipulation
• 30 minute protection against radiographic attack
• 10 minute protection against surreptitious entry attack


Cheers

Harold

[Chucklz]

I know that the lock itself is quite easy to defeat using DE. But, I thought the actual lock was indeed Group 1. Have the standards changed since these locks were first introduced, or did I just wish that it was.

[hzatorsk]

I know that the lock itself is quite easy to defeat using DE. But, I thought the actual lock was indeed Group 1. Have the standards changed since these locks were first introduced, or did I just wish that it was.

Not sure Chucklz... I presumed that UL listings for Group 1 & 2 locks are the same 20 & 2 hours manipulation resistance regardless of the type of lock. If somebody knows this to be wrong, please correct me. But I can't imagine a 30 minute protection getting a Group 1 rating on a padlock.

(Bear in mind the 30 minute rating came from the 8077 lock. I don't have the 8088 specs handy.)

Harold

[hzatorsk]

I know that the lock itself is quite easy to defeat using DE. But, I thought the actual lock was indeed Group 1. Have the standards changed since these locks were first introduced, or did I just wish that it was.

Not sure Chucklz... I presumed that UL listings for Group 1 & 2 locks are the same 20 & 2 hours manipulation resistance regardless of the type of lock. If somebody knows this to be wrong, please correct me. But I can't imagine a 30 minute protection getting a Group 1 rating on a padlock.

(Bear in mind the 30 minute rating came from the 8077 lock. I don't have the 8088 specs handy.)

Harold

[Chucklz]

The lock I have is the "US" government version. When I compared it to the civilian model, it seemd quite a bit heavier, with a sturdier shackle. Could it be that there are two versions of this model? Considering where these locks were/are used by the US DoD, 30 minute manipulation resistance seems a bit flimsy.

[HeadHunterCEO]

The lock I have is the "US" government version. When I compared it to the civilian model, it seemd quite a bit heavier, with a sturdier shackle. Could it be that there are two versions of this model? Considering where these locks were/are used by the US DoD, 30 minute manipulation resistance seems a bit flimsy.

i got the same one and it is a group one

good luck manipulating that one