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Schlage B60

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Schlage B60

Postby Pick4Kicks » 21 Mar 2011 17:49

I am currently pickign this lock
http://www.ihardwaredirect.com/schlage-b60.aspx

Any hints i dont understand what it means by
Pick Protection
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Re: Schlage B60

Postby Solomon » 22 Mar 2011 6:04

It's a standard cylinder so they probably mean spool pins. :)
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Re: Schlage B60

Postby raimundo » 22 Mar 2011 8:26

pick protection means that they are trying to sell the lock,

on a much lesser level it may also mean that they are trying to scare you into losing confidence in your abilities,

what it really means to you is that you are probably going to learn something new, and you will pick this lock.

have you started making picks yet, you will find that many of the commercial picks are quite wide shafted and will make it harder to pick some locks.

when you make your own picks, you can get around this, use wiper stiffeners, street sweeper bristles feeler gauges, and some kinds of spring steel, such as cheap drain snakes.

also hack saw blades, but these have varied meta properties, can be too brittle, and always have a lot of metal that simply has to be wasted out, a tedious chore, sweeper bristle is easily obtained and there is far less mass wasting involved.

Just encouraging you to widen your horizons.
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Re: Schlage B60

Postby Doctor Hexagon » 25 Mar 2011 12:28

The good news is I have this lock and can help you out.
The bad news is that I have no bad news.

The "Pick Resistant" thing they are referring to most likely refers to the spool shaped top pins Schlage has included in the assembly to make it more difficult to pick. The addition of spool pins, also called security pins, doesn't make it impossible to pick though.

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As you can see in the above image, the right lock is in the open position without the key. It has been picked open.

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Here is an image I just took showing the disassembled cylinder, and the tools that I used to pick it open. (my favorites) I used the SouthOrd short hook and standard torsion tool. When I apply for I use light to moderate turning force. Your lock may be different, but as you can see 4 out of 5 of the top pins are spool pins. I have arrange the order of the top pins in the exact order they were when I disassembled the cylinder, and included the key as reference. Here's a closer look at them:

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Another thing that made the the lock difficult for me to open was the amount of difference in the depth of cut between each pin. The pin lengths are staggered considerably. My best advice for opening any lock that contains security pins is to pick it normally, and wait for the plug to turn slightly, feeling as if it is ready to open. When this happens but the plug will not turn any more, one or more of the security pins is trapped at the sheer line. You will need to carefully probe each pin while easing off the tension you apply until you've found the pin stack that contains the trapped spool pin. While easing the tension press up on the pin until you feel it give. With many, but not all, of the locks I have picked, I have found that the pin closest to the keyway is often the only one that traps, (I picks locks from the furthest pin back to the nearest). This isn't always the case though, even with locks that I have picked many times before. Each pin stack will need to be carefully probed to see if it has a trapped spool pin.

There's a ton more advice on other places of the site regarding how to deal with security pins when trying to open a lock. And don't forget, if the lock still won't open after repeated attempts, try a different technique. Mix up your style a little. The lock may not be opening because you're doing the same wrong thing every time. Try different tools also, I've only shown the tools that I like most.
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Re: Schlage B60

Postby Dakota » 8 Jun 2011 14:57

My roommate has a new schlage lock ive found difficult to pick... it comes with a reset key ...its got a safe guard in the cylinder that when its been picked it locks up and requires
a reset key ... she has been buying locks for the door and if i can get thru she takes it back and trys again..its been kinda fun... but this ones got me stumped...
any advice?...
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Re: Schlage B60

Postby chriswingate » 8 Jun 2011 16:29

Pictures of lock and keys plus reset key?
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Re: Schlage B60

Postby Dakota » 9 Jun 2011 22:45

that's partly the problem she cant seem to find her reset key ... ill get picks up asap... the reset key is a different color tho like a green blue shade...
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Re: Schlage B60

Postby MacGyver101 » 10 Jun 2011 0:35

Dakota wrote:...its got a safe guard in the cylinder that when its been picked it locks up and requires a reset key ... the reset key is a different color tho like a green blue shade...

Just to double-check, are you sure you're not describing a Schlage SecureKey? (You can see some breakdown photos of it here.)

If it is a SecureKey, then you're okay without the reset key: it's only used to rekey the cylinder to a new key, rather than being part of any anti-picking feature. (Having said that, a SecureKey cylinder isn't a traditional pin-tumbler lock, so it's not going to give you the same feedback as a traditional Schlage cylinder while picking.)

Dakota wrote:she has been buying locks for the door and if i can get thru she takes it back and trys again

I know you weren't really looking for advice on this part of what you're doing... but, just my $0.02: if it were my store, I wouldn't be so happy about people using my return policy as a lending service for locks they'd like to try picking. (Just saying...)

Anyhow... best of luck!
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Re: Schlage B60

Postby chriswingate » 10 Jun 2011 6:51

I'm with Mac on this one, sounds like a Secure Key system. I'd be careful picking that, they are easy to mess up when picking and if you take it to the store jacked up inside you might not get the money back for it.
Also like Mac said, borrowing and returning locks all the time isn't good practice. Nor is picking a lock in use. Especially when you mess up the Secure Key and she can't get in at all anymore. Now you are thumbing out bills to a Lockmith to fix your problem.
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Re: Schlage B60

Postby Eyes_Only » 12 Jun 2011 16:43

The last time I picked a Schlage SecureKey repeatedly it broke. The little tab that connects the key pins to the slider in one of the chambers broke off and the lock was rendered useless. Even if I was called to a lockout call I would be more eager to find an alternate way to help the customer get back in their home than to risk breaking their lock.
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