would like model ID on a Schlage deadbolt

[randallw]

I removed a Schlage deadbolt because it wasn't working well then just put a brand new one in place, then I decided to play with the bad one and see if I could fix it up with replacement springs/pins. When I opened it up I discovered that it's some type I had not seen before. ( I am very very much a novice at this, if I even qualify for that level )

Pictures of the cylinder, and the whole assembly:

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb13 ... G_0308.jpg

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb13 ... G_0309.jpg

I downloaded a rekeying manual from the Schlage website, and none of the locks in it are quite like what I have.

The reykeying kit I have is a 40-122.

Does anyone have an idea of the model of lock this is, and/or know of instructions on how to work on it?

I do not want to go out and buy another rekeying kit if the cost is too much; it may be better to just toss the lock instead of investing a lot just to get one lock working.

[globallockytoo]

thats a Securekey cylinder you have there. Throw it in the round file cabinet titled rubbish, and move on.

[MacGnG1]

yep! securekey, just got one of these last week to play with. since u are missing all of the wafers i dont think its useable anymore.

[Evan]

@randallw:

Ditto to what the other people so far have said...

It sounds like you caught your SecureKey cylinder before it failed and locked you out... Were the keys being used excessively worn or poor quality (Home Depot, Walmart, etc.) Axxess+ duplicates ?

It is essentially junk once you have dumped all the parts out -- especially if it "wasn't working well" before you took it apart...

For your future reference, if the Schlage lock you are wanting to re-key has a "+" mark stamped onto the plug face just above the keyway, it is SecureKey and can not be re-keyed with normal pins from a Schlage pin kit... It needs to be re-keyed using properly cut 'blue keys' one cut for the current bitting and one cut to the new desired operating bitting...

~~ Evan

[randallw]

Thanks given for all the replies.

The problem was that the lock wouldn't turn without some effort; there were moments it would not turn at all, then once it found the apparent sweet spot it would work.

The key mainly used is a duplicate, which seems to be a PLS brand?

I still have all the little bits from the cylinder ( the springs, odd little pins, and some short black springs ) but I suppose i'll just abandon the project.

[randallw]

I will also be looking out for this dangerous + mark in the future!

[Evan]

Thanks given for all the replies.

The problem was that the lock wouldn't turn without some effort; there were moments it would not turn at all, then once it found the apparent sweet spot it would work.

The key mainly used is a duplicate, which seems to be a PLS brand?

I still have all the little bits from the cylinder ( the springs, odd little pins, and some short black springs ) but I suppose i'll just abandon the project.

Well, right there is your problem --

"The key mainly used is a duplicate, which seems to be a PLS brand?"

The way that the Schlage SecureKey cylinders work requires very very good duplicate keys in order not to damage the internal parts -- the wafers can get bent by all the twisting forces exerted when using a "hard to turn key" and once they are damaged enough the lock cylinder stops functioning... The key you were using was clearly a bad duplicate, too far away from the specs...

What happened to the original keys ? If you need more go visit a real locksmith shop and have them originated by code... Otherwise you will be replacing your SecureKey locks when they become damaged...

~~ Evan

[Eyes_Only]

I will also be looking out for this dangerous + mark in the future!

So this no longer applies justs to pregancy test eh?

[randallw]

I was not aware that a lock of this type existed, nor did I know that an imperfect duplicate key could be a risk to the lock.

The lock was on an apartment in a building where I help out; it was an arbitrary decision to keep the original keys and give the renters a duplicate.

[Rissa]

Is it possible that the duplicate key was actually the reset key? I work with a lot of property managers and they regularly mistake the reset key for "just a different colored extra key" (at which time they usually point out to me that the cuts are the same) Sheesh...

[Rissa]

Using the reset key to operate the lock causes very bad things to happen

[randallw]

The lock came with two original keys, both marked with number 6xxx3 ( self editing ), and a C; they have the same brass type color.

[Evan]

The lock came with two original keys, both marked with number 6xxx3 ( self editing ), and a C; they have the same brass type color.

@randallw:

Whoever sold you that lock with only two original keys gypped you big time, all Schlage SecureKey locks are supposed to be supplied with a Blue reset key cut to the original bitting the lock is programmed to at the factory -- without that blue reset key it is very very difficult for a typical homeowner to reprogram the lock to a new key... If you call a locksmith to do that, they will charge you to originate the two reset keys for you and it would be cheaper to go buy a new SecureKey lock at Home Depot that will have a reset key packed with it...

~~ Evan

[datagram]

I was not aware that a lock of this type existed, nor did I know that an imperfect duplicate key could be a risk to the lock.

The lock was on an apartment in a building where I help out; it was an arbitrary decision to keep the original keys and give the renters a duplicate.

There's a good amount of information on this lock here:
http://lockwiki.com/index.php/Schlage_SecureKey

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[compromizer]

I have played around with the Kwikset smart key locks and just yesterday ran into one of these Schlage Securekey locks. I just ordered some blue key blanks for them so I can rekey them in the future. The difference as far as I can tell is that the blue key blanks have a cut in the side for likely a sidebar. You just put your blue change key in, turn 30 degrees to the left, then you have to cut a copy of your new key onto a blue key blank, stick it in and turn back 30 degrees to the right and its rekeyed. I like these more than the kwikset smart key because it makes it a lot harder for the customer to do something wrong and render the lock practically useless.