Double Gate Keyway (Pick Trap)

[IndigoChild]

I would like to share an Idea for a pick trap. Everyone who is familiar with these pesky gateways I am sure will agree. Here is the idea. A keyway that on the outside is too wide for any standard tensor. With one gateway on the top have a secondary gateway recessed back in there a little bit that swings the opposite way providing clearance. It is going to be nearly impossible to fit tools in and pick it at the same time. You will almost have to rely on lishi tools to get this sucker open. Simple but I think effective.

(as an after thought what about a double plug keyway that you first have to insert the key half way, then turn it to put the key in all the way. then turn it back to unlock. then do the reverse to take the key out.)

[jfw]

I believe that "gateway" is just a dust cover? I find them on double sided wafers a lot.

[IndigoChild]

Well thats its purpose as well as discouraging entry tools. But it has an actual name and its Gateway.

[Altashot]

It's main purpose is to keep dirt out, not to make it hard to pick. I know them as "dust shutters".

M.

[IndigoChild]

yes. we covered that. thanks

[FarmerFreak]

Having two dust covers wouldn't change much in the way of pick resistance. Also, size of the keyway isn't that big of a deal either because allen wrenches come in all sizes.

You may want to look into mid 90's Infiniti Q45 locks. It's an external 4-track that to my knowledge can't be picked without having severe problems (such as permanently locking it up), and I would bet money that Lishi will never make a pick for it. Though I wouldn't mind being proven wrong, but I really don't see it happening.

FYI, in the 14 years I've been working as a full time locksmith I have never heard the term gateway used for a dust cover/shutter.

[IndigoChild]

Oh yeah? Well thats good, I havnt been locksmithing for even a year yet and I learn something new everyday and see something new twice a day, Locksmithing is all about learning and keeping up. HPC makes an Automotive Gateway Tool which can be found here http://www.lockpicks.com/gto.aspx The gateway is its name, a dust cover is what it is.

I am very curious though What is it about the infinity locks that can cause them to freeze up. I havnt worked on an infinity but with the volume of older cars in my area I should know to look out for those. But personally I dont like the lishi tools. There are too many different tools to carry around. Best to get the big three and forget the rest. But still my lishi cant pick my van but handpicking works.

The idea of the double dust cover though is kinda like an animal trap, yeah theres tools to beat it but someone who doesnt have automotive entry equipment might find it a bit harder to work with because their normal tensors wouldnt work. Just a simple idea that I really believe would add a little aggravation and rage quitting. But thanks for pitching in your opinion. I love to hear from some long term locksmiths because they have sound methods where as new guys like I come up with stupid stuff all the time and once in a while we discover something. then when we become masters we pass it along to our apprentices.

Have a great day

[Squelchtone]

HPC makes an Automotive Gateway Tool which can be found here http://www.lockpicks.com/gto.aspx The gateway is its name, a dust cover is what it is.

Gateway is only HPC's name for the tool, I've never seen that part ever called anything but a dust cover. I know that's what you wanna call it because it sounds cool, but some things you gotta just call what everyone else calls it, cant reinvent the wheel.

my 2 cents on this topic
Squelchtone

[FarmerFreak]

Just so you are aware, and without getting into too much detail because automotive is an advanced subject here. The Infiniti Q45 1990-96 is the only vehicle that uses this key (at least in America..) http://americankeysupply.com/index.php? ... ts_id=1909

The gist of it is that the lock would need to be picked in more than one position, but once it is turned at all there is essentially a giant retainer that goes through the key holding it in place. That retainer would prevent the manipulation of the tumblers required to pick it again..

[mh]

HPC makes an Automotive Gateway Tool which can be found here http://www.lockpicks.com/gto.aspx The gateway is its name, a dust cover is what it is.

Gateway is only HPC's name for the tool

Exactly, their trademarked "Gateway" is supposed to keep the dust cover away.
So they propose to have a "Gateway through the dust cover", not a "Gateway through the gateway"...

Cheers
mh

[IndigoChild]

HPC makes an Automotive Gateway Tool which can be found here http://www.lockpicks.com/gto.aspx The gateway is its name, a dust cover is what it is.

Gateway is only HPC's name for the tool, I've never seen that part ever called anything but a dust cover. I know that's what you wanna call it because it sounds cool, but some things you gotta just call what everyone else calls it, cant reinvent the wheel.

my 2 cents on this topic
Squelchtone

Actually I wanted to call it by its name but seeing that nobody is on board with me on it then its a dust cover, just like the one on my M16. Nothing special about it at all. That was never the point of this thread. (The wheel has been reinvented by the way and GM is working on a way to phase in their puncture proof airless tires.)

Just so you are aware, and without getting into too much detail because automotive is an advanced subject here. The Infiniti Q45 1990-96 is the only vehicle that uses this key (at least in America..) http://americankeysupply.com/index.php? ... ts_id=1909

The gist of it is that the lock would need to be picked in more than one position, but once it is turned at all there is essentially a giant retainer that goes through the key holding it in place. That retainer would prevent the manipulation of the tumblers required to pick it again..

That key looks like the new Schlage Everest 29 key mixed with a nissan key. Thats pretty remarkable. I should see if I cant pick up an ignition and see what I find inside. Thanks Farmer That is something really cool that I never learned in my advanced automotive classes

HPC makes an Automotive Gateway Tool which can be found here http://www.lockpicks.com/gto.aspx The gateway is its name, a dust cover is what it is.

Gateway is only HPC's name for the tool

Exactly, their trademarked "Gateway" is supposed to keep the dust cover away.
So they propose to have a "Gateway through the dust cover", not a "Gateway through the gateway"...

Cheers
mh

Im not too sure about this but isnt a dust cover still an opening as well. If you think about it in the raw either way you said it it is still "opening through the opening"

[jdislandlock]

if the hole is too big for a tension wrench... i make a tension wrench that is the correct size..... Problem solved.