Peterson Shipping Agent

[lockpickerman]

If I am to order directly from Peterson, would they use USPS to ship the picks?

[spandexwarrior]

In the US, yes, my orders always come USPS.

-Brian

[lockpickerman]

So, if I am picking locks as a hobby, would I be able to receive picks from USPS? I heard that you're not allowed to send picks by USPS unless you're a locksmith.

[Dukerdog]

I am not a professional and I've ordered lock picking supplies from Peterson, Southord and Sparrows and have not had a problem.
Good luck,
Marc

[HerrMannelig]

So, if I am picking locks as a hobby, would I be able to receive picks from USPS? I heard that you're not allowed to send picks by USPS unless you're a locksmith.

That is not what the law says.

I would just take into consideration whether one is legally allowed to possess such tools in receiving or shipping.

[Divinorum]

So, if I am picking locks as a hobby, would I be able to receive picks from USPS? I heard that you're not allowed to send picks by USPS unless you're a locksmith.

That is not what the law says.

I would just take into consideration whether one is legally allowed to possess such tools in receiving or shipping.

Correct me if I'm wrong but, It does says something along those lines.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/39/3002a

(Click where it says Text)
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/granule/USCODE ... etail.html


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Where you live has a large impact on the law's interpretation. Many states do not require a license to be a locksmith. In those states anyone who works with locks, even a hobbyist, could argue they are a bona fide locksmith. In states where you are required to have a license to be a locksmith, even though you may legally be able to posses picks without one, it would be much harder to argue. From what I have researched the USPS does not strictly enforce this and many of the locksmith distributors vaguely label their shipments. I'm not a lawyer, this is just my understanding of it. If I'm wrong and anyone knows the exact details please correct me.

[MrAnybody]

If I am to order directly from Peterson, would they use USPS to ship the picks?

I've received Petersons orders in UK and France. They all came by USPS.

[Squelchtone]

When you order at the bottom of the page it says that by ordering you agree and abide that you are a security professional fitting one of the listed categories, and allowed to have such tools. By establishing this relationship with Peterson, they can then send via USPS and no law is broken.

Warning: In accordance with 39 USC Section 3002a, this site is solely for the use of Security Professionals. Only the following are permitted to purchase items from this site: BONA FIDE LOCK MANUFACTURERS OR, DISTRIBUTORS, LOCKSMITHS, REPOSSESORS, OR MOTOR VEHICLE MANUFACTURERS OR DEALERS.

By ordering from this site, purchasers swear, attest and represent under penalty of perjury, that they are active authorized professionals in one or more of the above approved professions, and further attest and represent that they are authorized to receive products from this site through the US Mail.

We actively scrutinize purchases made from this site to ensure strict legal compliance with these requirements, and reserve the right to refuse shipment of any order that we do not believe to be lawful or appropriate.

Canadian Locksmiths please note:
Anyone purchasing lock picks or car opening tools in Alberta MUST have a provincial "Pick" License. This license is issued by the Solicitor General's office and entitles the bearer to purchase such tools.

https://www.thinkpeterson.com/law.html

[HerrMannelig]

Correct me if I'm wrong but, It does says something along those lines.

You are wrong. The elements, although involving the same topic, are completely different. The elements of a crime are what are important.

The text says:

(a) Any locksmithing device is nonmailable mail, shall not be carried or delivered by mail, and shall be disposed of as the Postal Service directs, unless such device is mailed to—
(1) a lock manufacturer or distributor;
(2) a bona fide locksmith;
(3) a bona fide repossessor; or
(4) a motor vehicle manufacturer or dealer.

It was said:

I heard that you're not allowed to send picks by USPS unless you're a locksmith.

The law is concerned with the recipient, not the sender. The elements are completely different, despite the common topic.

Where you live has a large impact on the law's interpretation. Many states do not require a license to be a locksmith. In those states anyone who works with locks, even a hobbyist, could argue they are a bona fide locksmith. In states where you are required to have a license to be a locksmith, even though you may legally be able to posses picks without one, it would be much harder to argue. From what I have researched the USPS does not strictly enforce this and many of the locksmith distributors vaguely label their shipments. I'm not a lawyer, this is just my understanding of it. If I'm wrong and anyone knows the exact details please correct me.

I've never had my picks labeled on the package from any source. I do not think any would, as there is no USPS form or label for that.

I think the law gives all the answers. If they want to enforce it, they'll dispose of it, instead of delivering it.

[Squelchtone]

guys...... I already answered the OP with a quote right from the seller's website.

Please take it easy on the arm chair lawyering. Be civil and polite to each other, this isn't debate club.

Thank you,
Squelchtone

[HerrMannelig]

guys...... I already answered the OP with a quote right from the seller's website.

Please take it easy on the arm chair lawyering. Be civil and polite to each other, this isn't debate club.

Thank you,
Squelchtone

Discussing matters of law is not automatically "armchair lawyering". Practicing law is regulated and requires a license. I am not a lawyer, but I'm trained in legal research and have credentials. What I wrote was not intended to be legal advice, but statements about the law and reflection on my experiences.

Respond to a statement "Correct me if I'm wrong" with a correction when it is wrong seems to be civil and polite. If any individual post is to be taken as the final word in a discussion, maybe the thread should be locked or it be known that discussion is not allowed on a discussion forum.

Debate is not uncivil or impolite when it is invited. This forum is so hesitant to allow any discussion about lock manipulation at all, due to the type of locks, fear of misuse of information, avoidance of legal questions, etc, maybe it should just become an art gallery of locks or for licensed locksmiths only.

[Squelchtone]

Discussing matters of law is not automatically "armchair lawyering". Practicing law is regulated and requires a license. I am not a lawyer, but I'm trained in legal research and have credentials. What I wrote was not intended to be legal advice, but statements about the law and reflection on my experiences.

Respond to a statement "Correct me if I'm wrong" with a correction when it is wrong seems to be civil and polite. If any individual post is to be taken as the final word in a discussion, maybe the thread should be locked or it be known that discussion is not allowed on a discussion forum.

Discussion is one thing, but one-upmanship and knocking people down a few pegs so you can feel better or more superior about yourself by correcting everyone is another. I'm pretty sure the guy who said "correct me if I'm wrong" was not looking for a lecture or some very idealistic black and white response based on your experiences. Everyone here is entitled to their observations, we don't need a know it all going around correcting people. Also, this wasn't law debate thread, it was a thread with an OP who had a question about ordering some lock picks, if you can't provide a simple short answer, for god's sake don't get into a page long thing about the nuances of a law.

Debate is not uncivil or impolite when it is invited. This forum is so hesitant to allow any discussion about lock manipulation at all, due to the type of locks, fear of misuse of information, avoidance of legal questions, etc, maybe it should just become an art gallery of locks or for licensed locksmiths only.

Your opinion is noted, but so is your incredible lack of bedside manner. Instead of being polite when a mod or admin ask something, here you are questioning it. Most people have enough common sense to not question mods and admins who run an internet forum, it is not only a rude thing to do, it is also against forum rules:

12. No public discussion or threads of moderators/staff decisions. Public discussion of a moderators action will get you banned.

Based on that rule, a 1 month ban has been issued.

Going back to your last paragraph, there is plenty that can be discussed on this forum in the general areas, and if I was not busy with a few high maintenance users all the time, perhaps I could be working on revising the forum rules, of what is and isn't discussable, as I have been trying to do for months now.

In the meantime, while you enjoy your time out, please feel free to download a copy of phpbb and run your own forum if the rules on here are not to your liking. As a forum owner, I assure you will soon find the necessity for all sorts of rules as situations present themselves.

If anyone has any questions or comments, please PM me. Now, back to business.
Squelchtone