Schlage F-Series Pin?

[Divinorum]

Hey everyone, I took apart what I believe was a Schlage F-Series door knob lock today, it had the floating bible cap with the T pins that fit inside the spring. However, one of the pins was different than all the rest (the pin and spring on the top in the picture). The other 4 pins and springs are all the same and are on the bottom in the picture. Whats with this odd pin/spring? Is it an anti bump pin/spring? TIA.

[cledry]

Unless the spring is much stronger than the others I can't see it working as an anti-bump pin.

[Divinorum]

It seems stronger but not by that much. I was told the door knob has never been serviced, but I don't see how a different pin/spring would get inside the lock. Maybe there was a point in time where Schlage used a sinlge normal pin and not all T pins. Was just curious to see if anyone had seen it before and would recognize it.

[I Pik U]

I have only seen the lower pins that fit into the springs, on the newer F series with the floating caps.
Older F series have regular top pins.
In the Schlage pinning made for the new style F series, only the lower pins that fit into the springs are included in the kit.

[FarmerFreak]

I was told the door knob has never been serviced

They lied, possibly they didn't know that they lied, but they did.

What had to have happened. When it was taken apart some of the springs/pins got lost and whomever was working on it made do with whatever they had. The Top (silver) spring is the correct spring and the bottom (T) pin is the correct driver pin. There is suppose to be five of each in that lock.

Anti-bump pins with stronger springs (Ilco makes them) won't work in a schlage F series with the compressible spring caps. It would push the cap right off.

[Divinorum]

I was told the door knob has never been serviced

They lied, possibly they didn't know that they lied, but they did.

What had to have happened. When it was taken apart some of the springs/pins got lost and whomever was working on it made do with whatever they had. The Top (silver) spring is the correct spring and the bottom (T) pin is the correct driver pin. There is suppose to be five of each in that lock.

Anti-bump pins with stronger springs (Ilco makes them) won't work in a schlage F series with the compressible spring caps. It would push the cap right off.

That makes more sense. Thanks for the info.

[gswimfrk]

This is a little off topic but I usually do not service/work with schlage F lines.

But is there any way to remove the cylinder. It appears that most I have seen have the cylinder embedded in the knob ball, they are placed in and then crimped. The older ones have a rose that is removable, I think?

[Divinorum]

This is a little off topic but I usually do not service/work with schlage F lines.

But is there any way to remove the cylinder. It appears that most I have seen have the cylinder embedded in the knob ball, they are placed in and then crimped. The older ones have a rose that is removable, I think?

Yes there is a way to get the cylinder out as long as it has a floating bible cap. Once you have the knob off the door and the key removed you have to let the cylinder fall into the knob and then angle the cylinder just right and push from the front of the knob. The bible will collapse and make room so the cylinder can fit through the hole. I usually use two index fingers to do this. One sticking through the hole in the back of the knob resting on top of the cylinder pushing down which angles the front of the cylinder up. Then have the other index finger touching the top cylinder from the front of the knob pushing in. This will angle the cylinder just right and it will fit right through the hole.

You can also find instructions from Schlage on how to dissemble the knob and remove the cylinder on page 6 on this manual.
http://consumer.schlage.com/project%20d ... 13-325.pdf

[gswimfrk]

Ahh, I see, thanks for the repair manual Divinorum. I never bothered to look for an F line guide.

I rarely attempt to re-key f series, usually for me, when they come off the door they go to the recycling bin and I slap on a grade 2 cylindrical lock or better. I always thought that the cylinders were crimped in when they made the ball knobs.

Thanks for the info!

[cheerIO]

What had to have happened. When it was taken apart some of the springs/pins got lost and whomever was working on it made do with whatever they had. The Top (silver) spring is the correct spring and the bottom (T) pin is the correct driver pin. There is suppose to be five of each in that lock.

I bet this is what happened when the lock was serviced the first time. Found this yesterday in an F series. The pin was jammed up in the bible not doing anything.

[Divinorum]

wow that's pretty nuts. I am surprised that the floating cap stayed intact with the cylinder after having the driver pushed up with so much force that it buried itself into the spring. From what I have heard, those floating caps fall off pretty easy.