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troubles with lockbox padlock

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troubles with lockbox padlock

Postby Ftcshawn420 » 16 Oct 2014 15:14

any tips on feeling the ''drop' of the shim when picking a pad lock lock box??

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Re: troubles with lockbox padlock

Postby fisix » 16 Oct 2014 20:30

Ftcshawn420 wrote:any tips on feeling the ''drop' of the shim when picking a pad lock lock box??


What padlock is it? To shim padlocks you would insert it as far as possible down, turning left/right to get it in while moving the shackle up/down to bring the shim in even deeper. You should be able to lift the shackle out holding the shim in deep enough.
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Re: troubles with lockbox padlock

Postby AusBazza » 16 Oct 2014 21:04

Shimming may not work, if you have the keys, open it and look inside where the shackle locks into, if it has a ball as the locking mechanism, shimming will be hard... even harder if it has balls both sides of the lock.

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Re: troubles with lockbox padlock

Postby cheerIO » 16 Oct 2014 22:12

What do you mean, "a pad lock lock box". You mean a lock box that has a padlock on it? Do you have a picture?

When you say shimming, are you referring to shimming the shackle or shimming the cylinder from the front to hold the pins up in the bible? Those are two very different kinds of shimming.

AusBazza wrote: if it has a ball as the locking mechanism, shimming will be hard...


I think you mean impossible. :D
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Re: troubles with lockbox padlock

Postby Ftcshawn420 » 17 Oct 2014 6:16

sorry, I should have been more clear, what I'm trying to is shim the combination itself on the side of each pin tumbler ill post pics

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Re: troubles with lockbox padlock

Postby Squelchtone » 17 Oct 2014 11:00

Ftcshawn420 wrote:sorry, I should have been more clear, what I'm trying to is shim the combination itself on the side of each pin tumbler ill post pics


say what now? combination on the side of each pin tumbler? I think you may have your terminology a little mixed up, yes, please post a pic, http://imgur.com/ or http://tinypic.com are the easiest ways. Then after uploading the pic, Copy and Paste the link in your reply.
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Re: troubles with lockbox padlock

Postby somenewguy » 17 Oct 2014 19:57

My guess is he's trying to decode a 3 or 4 wheel padlock that is used in real estate to keep a copy of the house key in it for the agent to show the house to potential buyers. OP: you probably already know this but you can look up info for the Master 175 or Sesamee or similar 3 or 4 wheel combo type padlock and try to apply that to your situation at hand. With a Master 175, it is very obvious; your shim drops in 1/8" or so when you hit that flat... Not sure how much more can be discussed in the open forum.
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Re: troubles with lockbox padlock

Postby buddykiller » 18 Oct 2014 7:09

somenewguy wrote:My guess is he's trying to decode a 3 or 4 wheel padlock that is used in real estate to keep a copy of the house key in it for the agent to show the house to potential buyers. OP: you probably already know this but you can look up info for the Master 175 or Sesamee or similar 3 or 4 wheel combo type padlock and try to apply that to your situation at hand. With a Master 175, it is very obvious; your shim drops in 1/8" or so when you hit that flat... Not sure how much more can be discussed in the open forum.


yea, that's what it sounds like to me.

op, just to clear up any confusion in the future, when you are shimming a lock you are inserting a very thin piece of metal between two or more internal mechanisms in such a way as to defeat the security features of the lock allowing it to be opened without the key/combination. while you are using a shim, what you are doing is decoding the combination of the lock as somenewguy has said.

what you need to do (and if i have gotten any of this information wrong, more seasoned members please feel free to correct me) is insert the shim on the right side of the wheel you are wanting to decode at a slight angle so that the corner of the shim is resting lightly on the inner part of the wheel. slowly turn the wheel until you feel the shim snag or drop into the gate (idk the actual term) then do the same with the rest of the wheels. more often then not this will NOT be the working combination, however, you have just reduced the number of possible combinations down to 10 (as there 10 numbers on each wheel and the wheels are now in the correct order). try to open the lock, if it does not open move each wheel 1 turn and try again. if the lock does not open after you have tried all 10 combinations you have one or more wheels out of order and have either performed the method incorrectly, or the particular lock you are attempting this on is not vulnerable to this attack.

for a video demonstration of sesame lock decoding, check out this video by schuyler towne.

if the lock is of particularly poor build quality the shim is not needed, only a good bright flashlight. my wife bought a lockbox to keep her cash in when she worked as a nail tech and if i hold it at the right angle with a small led flashlight i am able to see the notches.
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Re: troubles with lockbox padlock

Postby Ftcshawn420 » 22 Oct 2014 13:14

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here is the lock box

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Re: troubles with lockbox padlock

Postby somenewguy » 22 Oct 2014 22:32

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