What did you pick today?

[Barthel]

basically they just want to make sure I don't sell them so i'll pay like one box of beer and that's it ^^

[jeffmoss26]

Sounds like a good deal!!
Got this lock in yesterday, Best padlock marked CHEVROLET. Picked it to operating 3-4 times but not to control yet

[Barthel]

...*edit* got the first charge of "Burg Wächter -Profi" locks ... **** that will be challenging! even the first Pin you see in the keyway is a spool, and even the small size ones having 5 pins (at least 2 more Spools/Mushrooms in there) ****ing **** crazy locks from the first impression.




Got the small 4 Pin Lock open... it seems at least 3 Spool Pins in there crazy Feedback, never the less i guess the do 2 Spools over each other so I got multiple false sets on the same pin.

[Pickmequick]

...*edit* got the first charge of "Burg Wächter -Profi" locks ... **** that will be challenging! even the first Pin you see in the keyway is a spool, and even the small size ones having 5 pins (at least 2 more Spools/Mushrooms in there) ****ing **** crazy locks from the first impression.




Got the small 4 Pin Lock open... it seems at least 3 Spool Pins in there crazy Feedback, never the less i guess the do 2 Spools over each other so I got multiple false sets on the same pin.

Has someone rekeyed that?

That doesn't look like a keypin, I bet the key is a swine to get in there.

[Divinorum]

Must have been messed with or the factory screwed up royally because to me that looks like a top spool pin and the key pin is missing.

[GWiens2001]

Agree. That is a driver pin. Can't tell at this camera angle. Is the part of the pin that contacts the key pointed or flat?

Gordon

[Barthel]

the top is pointed/rounded, and i've got around 20 of those locks from brand new to several years used, all of them havin either spool Pins as first keypin.

Due to the fact these locks do not have anything to gut them non destructivei guess you can't rekey them but I'm not sure about that.

You can gut it by getting th locking Pins sideways out of the lock:

here ist how one of these (not my work) was stripped and what they found inside.



after knowing that i checked the locks again on most of them one of the spools is in fact a Keypin with rounded tip, few of them having a short keypin above a regular spool-Driver, at least for the first pin in the keyway, guess that's because you have to set the first Pins in those locks quite deep so you havent't got the space to add a even a short Driver-Pin.

guess either the springs are too short or they ar some kind of masterkeyed.

[teamstarlet]

Cray-cray... Looks like it is about to fall out of the keyway

[Barthel]

I guess on the weekend I will open one of these with a driller oder Drehmel cutting disc and Show the internals

[Barthel]

got that nasty thing opend, can't tell you the binding order, i got lost after a few hundreds of false sets... just kept on going, finding binding pin pushing it resetting 2-3 other ones, idintifien false sets, set them right and repeat ... at one Point it clicked open...

Sorry that I didn't bring the promised pictures of the pins, I didn't manage to clean up my workshop that weekend and didn't want to mess around with the small parts in the dirt

[Phantom1016]

Oh dear god. That was brutal. I'm messing with spool pins right now in my practice lock (Mr Wizzard's) and KNOWING which ones have spools, I can't get more than 2 set. If I had to do 5 of them I'd calmly set down the lock and pick up a bottle. Any tips on the feedback you got when getting a false set? I know you said by the time it turned you were just trying anything, but I'm hoping maybe there's a tip or two in there to help me out.

[Barthel]

I feel the false set just like as if the Lock wants to Pop open but not all the way, you really feel the Cylinder turning like half way open.
These small "clicks" once a normal pin sets is just nothing compared to that false set.

When you try pushing that pin deeper, it feels as if the Lock wants to get back fully closed (in the Tension tool). If you give that space rotating the cylinder back, 2 things happen:
- the one pin you'r pushing on is able to move deeper
- a ***it load of Pins start setting back to neutral

SO i tried to remember the position/feeling of the tension tool which I had prior that false set and get back there ....
And that i repeated like a hundret times for each pin ... and well i KNEW i had 10 Spools in there, every ****ing single pin in there is a spool driver and keyway-pins ^^... and i was simple expecting another false set when the cylinder was moving further to open Position ^^

I use a rekeyable Abus lock as "Training" lock which is not that bad at all, never the less i Need more pin's so I Need to Strip some of the "Burg Wächter Profi"-Locks fore more spools and a detailed picture of these spool-keypins

[Barthel]

Ok now i've "dissassebled" that freaking lock "only" 5 Spools ... but nice to see these "Keyway"-Spoolpins.. weired Stuff


I've cut 2 other locks as well... simmilar appearance 5 pins, 2 Driver-Spools, 3 Keyway-Spools... i've got some older ones as well... 5 driver-Spools (didn't manage to pick those yet)

You see the pressing-parts in the casing quite well, without cutting, using a rubber hammer showing the spots where to drill quite well too.




trying to make a clean cutaway...-> FAIL



first two pinns drilled out, notice the 3 remaining pins



final setup of that lock

[Pickmequick]

So what's the point in 3 of those spools?

Unless you are ham fisted, they will never come into play as you would have to overset by a mile.

Looks a very chinky setup imo.

[Barthel]

even without massife overset you feel them.. askt Burg Wächter what they thought about ... it was more to show that also key pins can be spools



got them opend now like 100rdes in a row ^^