Knock'n'Lock

[globallockytoo]

here's a keyless solution......

no keyhole at all....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Cw6d1t_fUY

Soon to be available in the USA.

I am also looking for potential installers for these products. anyone interested?

[mh]

It's indeed quite interesting.

The system has been available in Germany for several years, it was promoted by a German distributor who has meanwhile moved on to their own system called "Pylocx", cf. https://www.lockyourworld.com/en/home.html
Pylocx is powered from the key through galvanic contacts, while Knock'n'Lock has no contacts on the outside.
The main market for both systems in Germany have been / are apparently key safes in remote locations, for telecom companies (access to cell phone towers somewhere in the woods).

There were rumors that the battery life of the old remote key safes in the woods wouldn't live up to customer expectations when the lock comes out of 'sleep mode' too often because rain is knocking... Don't know if these rumors were true and / or if the Israelian manufacturer has fixed these issues meanwhile.

One issue on the Knock'n'Lock concept struck me, though: It's a one-way rolling code system, and they claimed that you could use one key for multiple locks.
But they were never able to properly explain to me how they could ensure that a knock sequence recorded by an intruder at the front door could not be successfully played back at the back door, if that back door wasn't operated in between. I'm sure you would have to somehow tell the key that you want to use it for different doors, use different pin codes per door or something like that.
The only explanation the people at trade fairs gave was: only their lock could record the knock sequence and only their key could play it, and no one else could do that, but I don't believe that story.

Cheers
mh

[globallockytoo]

Thanks mh. I agree with your synopsis.
The system isnt foolproof, but it is fairly unique technology that is appealing to some.
The Israeli manufacturer is aiming at the defense market, but there seems to be growing interest in the consumer market, especially with the increasing quantity of consumers suffering from their locks being surreptitiously picked (even Higher security ones). lately i have sold numerous Bilock systems across the USA to consumers aiming for greater pick resistance. Bilock answers their price point at this time, as it is still quite rare in the market.

The KNL technology is somewhat expensive and at this time aimed at cabinets, trucking and enclosure applications, but some of their models can be used on entry doors too. Their Euro cylinder looks quite bulky and ugly in my opinion but it is functional

The versatile deadlock which I am aiming at niche consumer markets is wireless, battery powered, easy to install and all components together will likely retail at around $US1700.00, I think. Unless I can get the price down.

I have 2 customers already, pleading with me to bring the product in but they dont want to pay me to install it, cos they have to pay my travel and accommodation too. I'm reluctant to let just anyone install it because 95% of complaints are almost always contributible to poor installation instead of faulty parts like they think.

I plan on demonstrating the products at some shows next year and anticipate some good interest.

[cledry]

What powers the lock? Are they fail secure or fail safe? How do you open from inside? How do you open from inside if your remote fails?

[globallockytoo]

What powers the lock? Are they fail secure or fail safe? How do you open from inside? How do you open from inside if your remote fails?

There are options.

You can have a replaceable internal battery version.

A separate dedicated power supply.

All versions come with an inside mechanical release.

battery powered will be fail secure.

Hired wired will be fail safe unless using a battery backup.

[cledry]

OK, battery one is fail secure and battery dies. How do you get in?

[mh]

OK, battery one is fail secure and battery dies. How do you get in?

For the key safes where the battery died prematurely because of the "knocking rain drops": drill.

[C locked]

Works on
Metal, wood and GLASS...
I wonder of the long term effects of this lock in that mounting

I also wonder about whether it would trigger alarm sensors
Like cheaper glass break sensors (i doubt it would... But)

I also think that its use would have to be limited
to the remote areas (it's intended market i know)
As the noise of openings would be annoying in the office environment
(Picture server/pbax room access)

Speaking of noise, what is the accuracy of the knock receiver?
As far as would a rubber gasket interfer with its operation?
Example being when mounted on a no frame glass door.

[globallockytoo]

Interesting questions.
It would be nice if all manufacturers made products that had no "issues"....but they dont otherwise the cost would be outrageous and wouldnt see any traction in the market.

The accuracy of the receiver is directly attributeable to the material it is fitted to.

The product works and has some traction in local government markets and with utility companies.

I would guess that a dampening effect by a gasket might produce some resistance but i'm also of the belief that the manufacturer accounted for this in their design.

[C locked]

Globallockytoo

I agree it would be nice if products had no issues

My questions are not trying to nitpick,i am just genuinely curious about how
That lock would work in the circumstances described

[globallockytoo]

C locked

If products had no issues, most of us locksmiths would be out of a job.

AFAIK the scenarios you described have been accounted for.
The KNL system may appeal to some, but it's priced at the upper end of the market because it is so secure and functional.

Cyberlock is an expensive system that took many years to finally get off the market.
Medeco CLIQ and all other CLIQ systems are priced at the upper end too.
If you want to pay peanuts, expect to get monkeys!

I sell a lot of Bilock across North America, because the product works, is competitively priced and lasts.