Abloy camlock

[dribbel]

Hi all,

Got an question, i'm fairly new to lock picking.
I bought a glass cabinet which has 6 locks on it.
Apperently these are locks of the type Abloy camlock.

Searching the internet I found out you can't lock pick these type of locks. Is that true?

The previous owner has lost the key, so I won't be able to let abloy create new keys, since I don't have a number.
Does anyone have some tips for me how to open my 'cabinet'?

If I want to drill the locks out, how should I do that?
If i can open the locks once, that's enough, then I can replace the locks.

Thanks in advance!

[Squelchtone]

That type of lock often protects high value items and in the interest of protecting the public, and from possibly teaching bad guys how to get into these locks, we do not discuss them openly. We only talk about them in the Advanced Topics area where a special level of membership is given to members who we trust to discuss how to drill such locks or bypass or pick them and know the info wont get out to possible bad guys.

So we cannot tell you how to drill them, you'll just have to drill one and see how hard or easy that is, and that type of lock is not pickabale with a normal lock pick set, so forget about trying to pick them.

It would probably be cheaper to break one of the panes of glass and reach your hand in and unscrew all the locks from behind and then get some new locks that all come with keys, without the special card with some numbers on it, you wont be able to get new keys for the Abloy locks, so they're pretty much useless at the moment. Or you could unscrew one lock, take it apart, learn how Abloy locks work from this PDF: https://toool.nl/images/5/58/Abloy.pdf and potentially use a hand file and Dremel to make a working key and hope all the locks are keyed alike so the hand make key will open all the others.

Got a pic of your cabinet? upload it to http://imgur.com/ and Copy/Paste the link here so we can see what you're dealing with.

good luck and sorry we can't openly discuss details on this brand of lock.
Squelchtone

If your Abloy isnt the Classic model, there is more reading here:
https://toool.nl/images/f/f3/Abloypart2.pdf
https://toool.nl/images/8/8a/Abloypart3.pdf

[dribbel]

Hello Squelchtone,

Okay, I understand.
Especially if this type of lock is used for especially high value products.

Mine have a large opening, in which I can see all the disks.
I'll see if I can upload some pics tonight/tomorrow.

[sisk]

I'm in agreement with Squelchtone. Spend $50 to replace a broken glass pane. It's by far your cheapest option. You can probably sell those keyless Abloy's to some advanced lock picker who wants a crazy hard challenge and make back way more than replacing the glass will cost you.

[Wizer]

If you can get one cylinder out and decode it, you could get keys.
Just hope all the locks are keyed alike.

[kwoswalt99-]

I'm in agreement with Squelchtone. Spend $50 to replace a broken glass pane. It's by far your cheapest option. You can probably sell those keyless Abloy's to some advanced lock picker who wants a crazy hard challenge and make back way more than replacing the glass will cost you.

I wouldn't count on used Abloy cam locks without keys selling for much.

[Squelchtone]

Thanks everyone for the reply's.
I think I may have found another way. I can lift the bottom plate up (pretty heavy), so i'm going to try to disassemble the lock, since it is attached with a bolt.

Not sure if it's going to work, since on the top there are also locks, but perhaps it's going to work.


Some promised pictures of the 'cabinet' and one of the six locks:

[Squelchtone]

ok wow, you have a huge display case there for like art work or some museum pieces.. totally not what I imagined. The keyway also looks like Abloy Exec or maybe even Abloy Protec, so tougher to make a key than the older Classic half moon shaped Abloys.

Anyway you could contact the company who makes the display case and show them photos of the case or some sort of bill of sale from the original owner? Maybe they could mail you new keys.

Squelchtone

[dribbel]

Hi Squelchtone,

This is used for keeping reptiles.
I've asked the previous owner again, he's on holiday but will search again after he's back.
But I don't have any high hopes...

Is it correct that I can disassemble the lock, even while it's locked? Or do I need to unlock it first, before the disassemble works?
If I can lift the bottom plate, I might be able to get to the bold.

Best regards

[tpark]

Hi Squelchtone,

This is used for keeping reptiles.
I've asked the previous owner again, he's on holiday but will search again after he's back.
But I don't have any high hopes...

Is it correct that I can disassemble the lock, even while it's locked? Or do I need to unlock it first, before the disassemble works?
If I can lift the bottom plate, I might be able to get to the bold.

Best regards

With the Abloy cam locks that I've seen, you can get them apart once you have them out, no key required, but i don't have any of the protec series cam locks. My suggestion would be to cut through the cam rather than break the glass, then replace the locks with new ones. There might be something stamped on the lock - if you go this route, maybe you can get new keys from the original vendor. Unless I was locking up reptiles that were extremely hard to catch, valuable or venomous, I'd be inclined to replace them with cheap vending machine locks.

[dribbel]

The glass is a special type preventing it from breaking.
The locks indeed are a bit extreme for what it's used for.
If I'm able to disassemble them, they will be replaced with cheap locks.

Cutting through I'm unfamiliar with. So I'm not sure how to do that..

[C locked]

Cut the cam if you can get to it
Simplest way to open that cabinet
But you will need to replace the locks to actually use the case
Without letting your snake out

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[mh]

Looks like an Abloy "Disklock".

Cheers
mh

[dribbel]

I have been able to get 3 locks disassembled from the cabinet.
Would a locksmith be able to make an key for them if I gave these to him, so I can put them back and use them in the future?

[Squelchtone]

I have been able to get 3 locks disassembled from the cabinet.
Would a locksmith be able to make an key for them if I gave these to him, so I can put them back and use them in the future?

You can contact Security Snobs in Seattle and see if they do that sort of thing, or *try* to find a locksmith near you who actually services Abloy, not all of them will, in fact probably 1 in 25 will have the required parts and knowledge. I'm not sure how to find an Abloy locksmith near you other than calling corporate in Texas and asking them to give you dealers in your area.

It may end up easier and cheaper to buy some other locks on ebay either regular wafer locks, or LAI / Baton Abloy clones, or Medeco or anything that will have the same depth and cam size to match. Will you be securing museum quality stuff in this glass case? If not, then you probably dont need locks at all, if you're putting things in there that you do want locked up, my last sentence has some brands listed that will do the job just as well.

Squelchtone


PS. If you have a few weeks to wait, one of us here, not gonna voluteer anyone in particular, but if you mailed one of us the 3 locks you removed, we can take them apart, make sure they're all "keyed up" the same, and hand file you a working key, I just don't know if you need all the keys inserted into all the locks at the same time to open the case, so not sure if anyone here has time to hand file 6 duplicate keys. Anyway, it's something to consider if you dont want to pay a locksmith or cant find one to do the job.