Need help finding compatible padlocks

[Number21]

After a recent break in I need to up the security at my warehouse, which is a very large old building with many different exterior and interior doors I need to lock. They are mostly non standard doors so I will be using pad locks and hasps. I'm looking for 1) A solid body padlock with a 7/16" shackle and 2) a puck style lock that have at least a 6 pin cylinder and can be keyed to match. I want one key for every lock.

I've been doing so much searching on different lock brands and cylinders and keys that I'm confusing myself. Is this something that would be possible with an American AH10 padlock and 2010 puck lock?

It would be even more amazing if I could get both the above style locks and a matching deadbolt. Anything like that for less than $50/lock?

[kwoswalt99-]

You might try Schlage, they offer copies of the American locks, and deadbolts.

[ltdbjd]

If you are going to use a puck style lock (or any padlock for that matter), make sure you install your hasp securely. There's nothing like going to the trouble of using a hidden shackle for security purposes, when your hasp is attached to drywall or 1/8" plywood with course threaded drywall screws.

As with many things in life, padlocks are usually no exception to the rule - you get what you pay for. You won't find a cheap high quality padlock. You can get one or the other.

[Number21]

You might try Schlage, they offer copies of the American locks, and deadbolts.

Took a look at them, but the keys look like cheap copies of American keys...not the normal Schlage deadbolt style. All the reviews complain that they can't be keyed to match their deadbolts.

If you are going to use a puck style lock (or any padlock for that matter), make sure you install your hasp securely. There's nothing like going to the trouble of using a hidden shackle for security purposes, when your hasp is attached to drywall or 1/8" plywood with course threaded drywall screws.

That was one of the problems I had, of the 3 layers of locks they broke one was a cheap hasp. The 3" wood screws I attached it with didn't budge, but the hasp just popped off around the screw holes. First they tried to cut the lock with a 7/16" shackle, and failed. New hasps will be attached with several through bolts and probably a steel plate on the back side.

As with many things in life, padlocks are usually no exception to the rule - you get what you pay for. You won't find a cheap high quality padlock. You can get one or the other.

I don't consider $50/lock to be cheap. Yes, I know there are more expensive ones, but most people wouldn't spend more than $10. Fancy locks only provide better picking protection, they don't really do anything extra for brute force attacks...and that's what I'm worried about. $50 should be able to get a 6 pin lock that takes extra skills to pick, and is probably good quality. It's just really hard to find different kinds of locks that match one key.

[kwoswalt99-]

This one shows a Schlage key. http://www.schlage.com/en/home/products/851226.html
Maybe a KIK cylinder will fit in all of their locks?

[billdeserthills]

I like the American Padlock, even though they are now owned by Master Padlock, the 7/16 shackle padock is also well known for securing lots of Harley Davidsons too
American also makes several puck style locks too, both have always come with 6-pin cylinders, keyed to 5 pins. You'll need to pay your locksmith extra for 6-pin keys and to add the 6th pin to your padlocks. Most locksmith shops prolly have these in stock, I know I do

Securing doors with a hasp and a padlock could only ever be as secure as the hasp and the way it is fastened to the door. Master Padlock sells Padlock Eyes that can be fastened to the inside of the door edge, if there is enough room. I used a bunch to re-secure over a dozen steel fire doors on the local school over the summer after the
fire dept went wild trying to find the 'low pressure valve room' and turned out, it was about the last place they looked

www.taylorsecurity.com/master-lock-60-padlock-eye-hasp/

[Number21]

This one shows a Schlage key. http://www.schlage.com/en/home/products/851226.html
Maybe a KIK cylinder will fit in all of their locks?

The reviews I read specifically referred to that picture and basically called it false advertising. They said that isn't the type of keys it comes with.

American also makes several puck style locks too, both have always come with 6-pin cylinders, keyed to 5 pins. You'll need to pay your locksmith extra for 6-pin keys and to add the 6th pin to your padlocks. Most locksmith shops prolly have these in stock, I know I do

What about this item?
https://www.mrlock.com/american-lock-pa ... ption=true
It says 6 pin cylinder...does that mean it actually comes with 6 pins? Even then, it has a different cylinder than the American padlocks, so the keys won't interchange.

I'm baffled why it's so hard to find a padlock and puck lock with a matching 6 pin key. This seems like it should be some kind of industry standard?!

[Silverado]

I've got an American puck lock with a removable core that uses a full size key, it cost me about $30. I know they make American padlocks with removable cores which use full size keys. Your best bet may be to get one of each, pull the cores and have them pinned to match and get a key made for the bitting you had installed in them. Then you have the same key for each.

It's going to cost you more than $10 per lock and there will be a cost to get keys and have the cores pinned to spec but it doesn't look like there's any other option.

I know it sounds silly to spend that much more money on a padlock but there are a lot of internal aspects of physical security in a more expensive padlock compared to a $10 padlock. The cost is usually in the quality of the metals and the internal security features which would protect from forced entry and bypassing the locking mechanism.

[Squelchtone]

I'm baffled why it's so hard to find a padlock and puck lock with a matching 6 pin key. This seems like it should be some kind of industry standard?!

It's because you're shopping online for a custom job that places like mr.lock or amazon arent geared for. Their market is that someone buys 1 padlock, or 5 of the same padlock not mix and match and get it keyed alike.

Sounds like you should visit a real brick and mortar lock locksmith shop where they can easily key up an American 2010 puck lock and an American A700 to the same key, but you're gonna have a harder time getting a deadbolt keyed to an American Lock keyway because that's not a normal thing you see people ask for, but I believe ILCO makes mortise cylinders is American Lock keyways http://www.ilco.us/products/replacement ... nders.html , might be a special order item, even for the brick and mortal locksmith shop near you.

I have to ask why you chose the AH10, that's a very small padlock when you see it in person, it's used for video arcade machines, and condom vending machines at biker bars. Railroad also uses them to lock up switching boxes on the side of the rail, but the A700 is what most commercial business grates use. The AH10 is also a double sided wafer lock, the 2010 and the A700 are pin tumlber locks that use the same exact cylinders so yes, you could get those two models keyed alike in either 5 or 6 pin versions.

Instead of picking out what you think is the right model locks or right styles, perhaps you could show us a few of the doors you are trying to secure and we, the resident experts here, can recommend the right kind of hardware for each door. The puck lock padlocks are meant for work van doors, so again, I'm wondering why you would choose that for a warehouse door, there are probably better options if we got to see a photo or two of your doors and frames.

Looking forward to helping you with your project,
Squelchtone

[cledry]

Many companies make SFIC puck locks and you would have no trouble finding a deadbolt to also take a SFIC. That would be the route I would take.

[Number21]

It's because you're shopping online for a custom job that places like mr.lock or amazon arent geared for. Their market is that someone buys 1 padlock, or 5 of the same padlock not mix and match and get it keyed alike.

They have no problem matching any given key code - the problem is the locks I want to use are all designed with entirely different keys that cannot be mixed and matched. There is nothing unusual about somebody wanting a full line of different locks from the same manufacturer with the same key. Several companies offer locks that can be keyed to match your home door key, however, the choices are limited and again it's only a 5 pin.

Also, if I'm placing an order from a commercial lock company, at full price, for items all from the same manufacturer...it's ridiculous that I should have to go pay more money to a locksmith to make them match.

Sounds like you should visit a real brick and mortar lock locksmith shop where they can easily key up an American 2010 puck lock and an American A700 to the same key

Mr.lock and many other websites will do the same thing. Just order them all for the same key code. There is no need for me to visit a locksmith and pay extra. Again, the problem becomes that's not the lock I want...

I have to ask why you chose the AH10, that's a very small padlock when you see it in person

Different locks for different purposes. The smaller the shackle, the harder it is to cut. (height, not diameter) It's not weird to think a person might need a small, medium, and large lock all with the same key.

Instead of picking out what you think is the right model locks or right styles, perhaps you could show us a few of the doors you are trying to secure and we, the resident experts here, can recommend the right kind of hardware for each door. The puck lock padlocks are meant for work van doors, so again, I'm wondering why you would choose that for a warehouse door, there are probably better options if we got to see a photo or two of your doors and frames.

Like I said, I will be using mostly lock hasps. The only secure type of lock hasp is the type that uses the puck locks. All others are way too easy to cut. I can spend a bunch of money on a fancy lock with a 7/16 boron shackle, but they don't make a hasp with a loop stronger than 3/8 hardened steel.

I have all sorts of things that need to be locked, multiple types of padlocks are the only answer. I have two giant hundred year old buildings with dozens of doors that need locks. Some of them slide open. Some roll up. Some are normal steel man doors. Some are hundred year old wooden doors. Some are homemade plywood doors. There is also some things that need to be chained and a steel deposit box that needs to be locked.

It would be extremely convenient if I could buy say 3-4 different styles of commercial grade locks with the same key code right from the manufacturer. I don't see this as being an usual request or situation at all for anybody that has a large facility to manage. I could easily do this with the Master Magnum lock series, but as you know a child can easily pick those.

[Robotnik]

I'm with cledry. Going solely off the description provided, SFIC (Best-style) would be the route I'd take in this situation. Very adaptable to padlock, puck lock, knob/lever, and deadbolt applications.

[billdeserthills]

This one shows a Schlage key. http://www.schlage.com/en/home/products/851226.html
Maybe a KIK cylinder will fit in all of their locks?

The reviews I read specifically referred to that picture and basically called it false advertising. They said that isn't the type of keys it comes with.

American also makes several puck style locks too, both have always come with 6-pin cylinders, keyed to 5 pins. You'll need to pay your locksmith extra for 6-pin keys and to add the 6th pin to your padlocks. Most locksmith shops prolly have these in stock, I know I do

What about this item?
https://www.mrlock.com/american-lock-pa ... ption=true
It says 6 pin cylinder...does that mean it actually comes with 6 pins? Even then, it has a different cylinder than the American padlocks, so the keys won't interchange.

I'm baffled why it's so hard to find a padlock and puck lock with a matching 6 pin key. This seems like it should be some kind of industry standard?!

So click on the 'Keyed Alike' option and e-mail the store to make sure, I wouldn't put it past them to advertise the 6-pin cylinder and sell it to you only keyed to 5 pins
Cledry suggests you keep everything on 1 key with the SFIC option, but that will cost more pretty money.
Honestly though, if you want to do this a visit to a locksmith is the fastest solution, you can always say 'No'
if their price is too high

[Number21]

I will look into the SFIC locks. I think I'm going to have to settle for at least 2 or 3 different key styles.

Here you can see the carnage from previous break ins, in every situation a more expensive lock would not have stopped them.

This is the deadbolt they cut with a sawzall, a latch shield on the outside would have prevented this. The rod in the center to prevent cutting does not work as designed.


Here you can see how easy it was to cut/pry off a cheap hasp, the lock was untouched:


This was a little heavier hasp, attached with 3" wood screws into a sturdy post. Popped right off through the screw holes and left the screws in place:


In the last picture, you can see they attempted to cut the 3/8" boron shackle, but failed before just popping the hasp off. In the past I've had the smaller 5/16" boron shackle magnum locks cut, and I even had to cut one myself, but in the process I completely ruined the bolt cutters. A 7/16" shackle would take a lot more effort to cut.

In every situation, if I had used a puck lock and hasp instead, they probably would not have gotten in. Even the cheap Master version Home Depot sells. The main reason I want 6 pin locks is because if anybody gets in, I want there to be obvious signs of forced entry so my insurance will pay up and I'm not a suspect. So far, nobody has ever tried to pick the locks.

[Number21]

It does look like the SFIC core locks are the closest thing to what I want. Are all SFIC locks and cores interchangeable? Are all SFIC locks capable of using a 7 pin cylinder?

If I buy a bunch of matching keyed cores now, and I want another one in the future, roughly how much will it cost to have a locksmith key it to match?