Can anyone identify this s&g lock? can't find info anywhere

[Squelchtone]

EDIT: Image added.

I know it's a sarge, the Safe is old but not that old (30-40 years maybe newer). I have been trying to manipulate it for fun as a noob to no avail. Graphed my contact points, parked the wheels, went all the way around to every even number, no pronounced deviation,outside of an 1/8 inch here and there, but never for both simultaneously. keep getting 16 3/4 and 24 on all 0-98.

It's metal and very audible, with a very obvious tick to the contact points, and easy to feel them at the exact point they meet the nose. The highest I would get was about 16 7/8, and lowest for the other stayed at MAYBE 23 7/8 but not quite that low. However these never corresponded, and was unable to gather any conclusive data.

Also, I noticed a keyhole. Of course lost the key among probably 500 other keys on 10 different key rings, so don't know if that plays a role. Do I need the key to unlock it? Does it lock the dial? Meaning would I even be able to turn it if it was locked? Will it notify me if I get the right combination even if the dial is locked, and just won't allow me to retract the bolt?

Anyway, any help would be appreciated, maybe key me in (no pun intended) on a common mistake I might be making, and especially what this lock is? Never really used the safe, I think my grandpa kept a gun in there at one point, (which was ironically somehow stolen lol) and maybe some old documents. I can't seem to find one on the internet like it with those grooves in the face. Seems really heavy duty, so I was looking it up to see if there was maybe some manipulation proof technology in there. Thanks in advance.

[Squelchtone]

Hi and welcome to the forum. This seems to be posted in the General FAQs for regular old lock picking, and we actually have some specific Safe related areas if you take a gander at the blue and white menu on your Left. I'll move this over for you to the Ask a Locksmith - This Old Safe area.

That's the public safe discussion area, we also have an Advanced safe discussion area for things like drill points etc but I think we'll be ok with your question in the public area since you dont yet have access to the Advanced sub forums.


Also, that's a lot of words your wrote, but some photos would probably help us help you much faster, so if you can snap a couple of the entire safe, the dial and handle and maybe a close up of the dial, or the keyhole you mentioned and upload them to your favorite place like imgur.com or tinypic.com or photobucket.com and Copy/Paste the link here for us to see.

Thanks
Squelchtone

[Journeyman52]

Okay. Is there anyway I can relocate post? If not I can just copy paste.

[GWiens2001]

I know it's a sarge, the Safe is old but not that old (30-40 years maybe newer). I have been trying to manipulate it for fun as a noob to no avail. Graphed my contact points, parked the wheels, went all the way around to every even number, no pronounced deviation,outside of an 1/8 inch here and there, but never for both simultaneously. keep getting 16 3/4 and 24 on all 0-98.

It's metal and very audible, with a very obvious tick to the contact points, and easy to feel them at the exact point they meet the nose. The highest I would get was about 16 7/8, and lowest for the other stayed at MAYBE 23 7/8 but not quite that low. However these never corresponded, and was unable to gather any conclusive data.

Also, I noticed a keyhole. Of course lost the key among probably 500 other keys on 10 different key rings, so don't know if that plays a role. Do I need the key to unlock it? Does it lock the dial? Meaning would I even be able to turn it if it was locked? Will it notify me if I get the right combination even if the dial is locked, and just won't allow me to retract the bolt?

Anyway, any help would be appreciated, maybe key me in (no pun intended) on a common mistake I might be making, and especially what this lock is? Never really used the safe, I think my grandpa kept a gun in there at one point, (which was ironically somehow stolen lol) and maybe some old documents. I can't seem to find one on the internet like it with those grooves in the face. Seems really heavy duty, so I was looking it up to see if there was maybe some manipulation proof technology in there. Thanks in advance.

It could be a 6730 with a locking dial. The sticker that normally makes the dial look like a large flat black disk has been removed.

Gordon

[Squelchtone]

Okay. Is there anyway I can relocate post? If not I can just copy paste.

I already moved it for ya

[safecracker33]

no way of knowing what lock is fitted behind that dial for sure, and your contact point at about 16 sounds ok, but would have expected the other one to be somewhere around 6-8, not something we can really talk about here, my best advice would be to get a practice lock to learn on rather than a locked up safe, or sub it out to a local safe engineer, good luck either way.

[Journeyman52]

I know it's a sarge, the Safe is old but not that old (30-40 years maybe newer). I have been trying to manipulate it for fun as a noob to no avail. Graphed my contact points, parked the wheels, went all the way around to every even number, no pronounced deviation,outside of an 1/8 inch here and there, but never for both simultaneously. keep getting 16 3/4 and 24 on all 0-98.

It's metal and very audible, with a very obvious tick to the contact points, and easy to feel them at the exact point they meet the nose. The highest I would get was about 16 7/8, and lowest for the other stayed at MAYBE 23 7/8 but not quite that low. However these never corresponded, and was unable to gather any conclusive data.

Also, I noticed a keyhole. Of course lost the key among probably 500 other keys on 10 different key rings, so don't know if that plays a role. Do I need the key to unlock it? Does it lock the dial? Meaning would I even be able to turn it if it was locked? Will it notify me if I get the right combination even if the dial is locked, and just won't allow me to retract the bolt?

Anyway, any help would be appreciated, maybe key me in (no pun intended) on a common mistake I might be making, and especially what this lock is? Never really used the safe, I think my grandpa kept a gun in there at one point, (which was ironically somehow stolen lol) and maybe some old documents. I can't seem to find one on the internet like it with those grooves in the face. Seems really heavy duty, so I was looking it up to see if there was maybe some manipulation proof technology in there. Thanks in advance.

It could be a 6730 with a locking dial. The sticker that normally makes the dial look like a large flat black disk has been removed.

Gordon

that explains it. Didn't even think about that.

[Journeyman52]

Here's some more pictures:

[femurat]

Also, I noticed a keyhole. Of course lost the key among probably 500 other keys on 10 different key rings, so don't know if that plays a role. Do I need the key to unlock it? Does it lock the dial? Meaning would I even be able to turn it if it was locked? Will it notify me if I get the right combination even if the dial is locked, and just won't allow me to retract the bolt?

The key locks the dial. Since you're able to rotate the dial, it's unlocked. Ignore it.

You've got a nice safe. I wish you will open it.

Cheers

[Silverado]

Looks like someone has taken a hammer to that dial more than once. It's still a nice looking safe though! I hope you get it worked out. As much as I'd like to help, I don't know anything about safes...haven't gotten one to practice/learn on.

[Journeyman52]

Looks like someone has taken a hammer to that dial more than once. It's still a nice looking safe though! I hope you get it worked out. As much as I'd like to help, I don't know anything about safes...haven't gotten one to practice/learn on.

Haha I'm gonna try again tonight. Gonna do it again and compare it with the previous graph to see if it was user error. If not I'll just have to see if i can hear it with a stethoscope because the sounds it makes aren't subtle so maybe I stand a chance.