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ye olde unit lock

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ye olde unit lock

Postby jeffmoss26 » 11 Jul 2020 13:32

Customer brought this baby in yesterday.
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Have seen many but never had the opportunity to work on one. They had no keys and wanted it rekeyed. One of my veteran coworkers was assisting me with the disassembly process.
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Based on the Corbin 99 keyway it uses, Nite0wl and some guessed that it's from 1902-1906.
As you can see, the newest patent date is October 1900.
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Turns out the hardware store I used to work at referred her. The owner is the one who taught me how to rekey my first kwikset lock ~15 years ago. Sorry, no Gordon-style gut shots :)
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Postby Safecrackin Sammy » 11 Jul 2020 18:57

The escutheons on that are absolutely beautiful.

Worked on a few over the years but never one that old or ornate.
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Re: ye olde unit lock

Postby GWiens2001 » 11 Jul 2020 19:13

Harumph! No gut shots. Bah! :P

Thanks for sharing. Looks pretty solid.

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Re: ye olde unit lock

Postby sign216 » 12 Jul 2020 10:36

Beautiful piece of hardware. Let us know how it works out.

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Re: ye olde unit lock

Postby jeffmoss26 » 12 Jul 2020 14:57

finished before we closed on Friday, awaiting customer pickup. Will try and grab a quick video of it in action tomorrow.
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Postby jeffmoss26 » 13 Jul 2020 17:59

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Re: ye olde unit lock

Postby 1d4 » 23 Jul 2020 12:09

Beautiful. Looks like it has the ball bearings under the key pins, typical of a lock that age. When you rekey a cylinder with the ball bearings, do you replace them with modern tapered bottom pins, or do you rekey re-using the ball bearings so as to preserve the original character of the lock?
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Re: ye olde unit lock

Postby jeffmoss26 » 23 Jul 2020 17:53

I put modern pins in. However, in order to redeem myself, I used all the original pins on a Yale mortise cylinder today. Replaced the springs because they were shot.
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Re: ye olde unit lock

Postby 1d4 » 23 Jul 2020 19:20

Wow, maybe I've never looked closely enough, but I didn't realize old Yales have pins that look as if they are lightly threaded (?!). It looks like the effect I get when I run a coarse flat file across something spinning in a lathe.
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Re: ye olde unit lock

Postby billdeserthills » 23 Jul 2020 22:51

1d4 wrote:Wow, maybe I've never looked closely enough, but I didn't realize old Yales have pins that look as if they are lightly threaded (?!). It looks like the effect I get when I run a coarse flat file across something spinning in a lathe.


It's an anti-picking feature--even back then they had methods to make picking harder
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Re: ye olde unit lock

Postby 1d4 » 23 Jul 2020 23:33

billdeserthills wrote:
It's an anti-picking feature--even back then they had methods to make picking harder


Yes, and that's incredible. I suppose I always assumed that serrated pins were a much more modern addition to the pin tumbler. So it's cool to know that Yale had them a long time ago. When I think of serrated pins, the first thing that comes to mind is American Lock. I wonder if American has always had some sort of serrated pins in their locks as well, or if they introduced them relatively later?
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Re: ye olde unit lock

Postby billdeserthills » 23 Jul 2020 23:35

1d4 wrote:
billdeserthills wrote:
It's an anti-picking feature--even back then they had methods to make picking harder


Yes, and that's incredible. I suppose I always assumed that serrated pins were a much more modern addition to the pin tumbler. So it's cool to know that Yale had them a long time ago. When I think of serrated pins, the first thing that comes to mind is American Lock. I wonder if American has always had some sort of serrated pins in their locks as well, or if they introduced them relatively later?



Got me I only ever stocked the Master padlock pin kit
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Re: ye olde unit lock

Postby GWiens2001 » 24 Jul 2020 8:27

Yale not only had serrated pins way back in the day, but they also had mushroom pins. Not spools, mushrooms.

Not sure when American started using serrated pins, but it was a while back. I also like that American has serrated key pins.

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Re: ye olde unit lock

Postby edocdab » 27 Jul 2020 13:33

That's a great piece of history and really nice to see it still in use Jeff. Thanks for sharing
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Re: ye olde unit lock

Postby mastersmith » 27 Jul 2020 23:49

Jeff if you get another unit lock in, you may want to show the folks how to get to the retainer. That seems to stump a fair number of them. I don't believe I have any old unit locks laying around anymore. If I did I would attempt it myself!
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