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Old S&G 6810 Safe Lock

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Old S&G 6810 Safe Lock

Postby Kenneth_V » 10 Nov 2020 22:50

Here is my latest safe lock.

Old S&G 6810 (or No. 5) serial number 52

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Great looking old lock, just need to get it mounted
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Re: Old S&G 6810 Safe Lock

Postby 1d4 » 11 Nov 2020 1:43

Very cool. How do you like to mount your safe locks?
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Re: Old S&G 6810 Safe Lock

Postby L4R3L2 » 11 Nov 2020 2:34

Very nice. It's amazing to me how far back the key change goes. One would naturally assume the key change was a later innovation, but such does not seem to be the case.

By the way, I always heard those numbers are assembly numbers, not serial numbers; though, I suppose a serial number would be just as good for assembly purposes as a reusable assembly number would be, so long as the serial numbers didn't go so high as to be unreasonably long.
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Re: Old S&G 6810 Safe Lock

Postby MartinHewitt » 11 Nov 2020 6:24

Do the wheels have movable flies? I can't see it on the small photos.

The dial is in great condition. My 50-number dial is heavily worn and dented. One could call it "extensively pre-loved", but the dents don't look exactly like love.
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Re: Old S&G 6810 Safe Lock

Postby Kenneth_V » 11 Nov 2020 21:50

1d4 wrote:Very cool. How do you like to mount your safe locks?


I have been using these typical plastic mounts to mount my safe locks.

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This old lock has a partially threaded spindle so I cant shorten it much. I think I will have to mount the dial and the lock on two separate pieces of wood with a gap between them so to total space is equal to the the same width as the original safe door.
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Re: Old S&G 6810 Safe Lock

Postby Kenneth_V » 11 Nov 2020 21:56

MartinHewitt wrote:Do the wheels have movable flies? I can't see it on the small photos.

The dial is in great condition. My 50-number dial is heavily worn and dented. One could call it "extensively pre-loved", but the dents don't look exactly like love.


It has fixed flies

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Re: Old S&G 6810 Safe Lock

Postby Kenneth_V » 11 Nov 2020 22:04

L4R3L2 wrote:Very nice. It's amazing to me how far back the key change goes. One would naturally assume the key change was a later innovation, but such does not seem to be the case.

By the way, I always heard those numbers are assembly numbers, not serial numbers; though, I suppose a serial number would be just as good for assembly purposes as a reusable assembly number would be, so long as the serial numbers didn't go so high as to be unreasonably long.


I agree they are assembly numbers as every piece has the same number. MartinHewitt mentioned this on another site. I thought it was a low number, all of the others I have seen had 4 digits.
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Re: Old S&G 6810 Safe Lock

Postby femurat » 12 Nov 2020 2:13

Nice lock. Never shorten the spindle, especially in old locks, because you can't get a replacement part. You may need to mount a lock back in a safe and, if you shortened the spindle, it became useless.

Cheers :)
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Re: Old S&G 6810 Safe Lock

Postby MartinHewitt » 12 Nov 2020 2:54

Kenneth_V wrote:It has fixed flies

Mine too. My guess is, that it is a No. 5 from around 1877-1900.
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Re: Old S&G 6810 Safe Lock

Postby L4R3L2 » 12 Nov 2020 11:02

femurat wrote:Nice lock. Never shorten the spindle, especially in old locks, because you can't get a replacement part. You may need to mount a lock back in a safe and, if you shortened the spindle, it became useless.

Cheers :)


This is exactly my philosophy too. Modern 3 wheel locks with new standard spindles get mounted on 4x lumber because I have found it to be just the right thickness. You could have solid lumber cut to the proper thickness, if need be, or shim out lumber of the nearest thickness to what you need.
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Re: Old S&G 6810 Safe Lock

Postby MartinHewitt » 12 Nov 2020 12:50

I am using old beech kitchen counter top. Roughly 4/5th inch.
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Re: Old S&G 6810 Safe Lock

Postby edocdab » 12 Nov 2020 17:18

MartinHewitt wrote:I am using old beech kitchen counter top. Roughly 4/5th inch.


Is that because all your other furniture had safe locks installed already?
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Re: Old S&G 6810 Safe Lock

Postby MartinHewitt » 12 Nov 2020 18:47

Nah, it is because a friend has been in three flats over the last 15 years and all her kitchens had beech. So she had quite a pile of solid beech board. With so much free beech everything starts to look like a kitchen counter top.
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Re: Old S&G 6810 Safe Lock

Postby edocdab » 13 Nov 2020 2:28

More seriously, the lock Martin helped me buy to play with is set up on a piece of lumber, as I did not want to damage the spindle. As the wood has depth, it doesn't even need a separate piece as base against tipping. Works well for me Martin :)
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Re: Old S&G 6810 Safe Lock

Postby Bonim » 16 Jan 2022 5:37

I’m actually looking for a S&G 6810 lock and dial for a safe I have.
Interested in selling it?
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