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Help identifying Sargent & Greenleaf combination lock

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Help identifying Sargent & Greenleaf combination lock

Postby 70Crew » 9 Feb 2021 21:47

Hi, I am trying to positively identify this S&G padlock. There are no identifying numbers on the lock case or in the attached operating instructions. My best guess is a Model 1951, but the few photos I am finding all have black dials. I did see a text reference on this site saying that there were two model 1951 styles; the early version with a black dial and a later version with a green dial. Can anyone here definitively clear this up?
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Re: Help identifying Sargent & Greenleaf combination lock

Postby GWiens2001 » 9 Feb 2021 22:45

Yes, that is a model 1951. Yes, the black dial version was made first. Yes, the green dials were made later.

As for when the changeover occurred, I am unsure. But if I recall correctly, all of the model 1951 locks were stamped PAT PEND. (Patent pending).

I also strongly recommend you be careful and precise when you change the combination. Keep that shutter open when you close the lock and try the combination a few times, keeping that shutter open when you close the lock. When you are confident that the combination works, then you can let it close. If you lock the padlock and the combination change did not work right, you can still recover if that shutter is open. If not, you have a nice paperweight.

By the way - that is in fantastic condition. Congrats on acquiring it!

Gordon
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Re: Help identifying Sargent & Greenleaf combination lock

Postby 70Crew » 10 Feb 2021 6:05

Outstanding, thank you Gordon! This was my father’s lock. Unfortunately he passed away 12 years ago so I couldn’t ask him the backstory. It is in such great shape because it has been sitting in the attic for at least 40 years, I remember seeing it as a kid. Since I have no use for it I was getting ready to stick it on eBay. I just assumed it was an 8088 until I noticed the lack of a shoulder on top.
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Re: Help identifying Sargent & Greenleaf combination lock

Postby GWiens2001 » 10 Feb 2021 7:33

70Crew wrote:Outstanding, thank you Gordon! This was my father’s lock. Unfortunately he passed away 12 years ago so I couldn’t ask him the backstory. It is in such great shape because it has been sitting in the attic for at least 40 years, I remember seeing it as a kid. Since I have no use for it I was getting ready to stick it on eBay. I just assumed it was an 8088 until I noticed the lack of a shoulder on top.


Send me a PM with a price!

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