What are your rates?

[chubby007]

Never been advised while i was a member of the double rates, must have been issued after I left, and was John just BULLSHITTING?

[captainsawdust]

You are correct, I have only just started to visit this site and if I need to know anything in the specialist section then I contact the technical advisor to that company for advise, not spend 4-5 weeks reading this site, although I have picked up a few tips on certain locks that will come in useful in the future.

Go and get some proper training on BS Picks then

[chubby007]

The template is designed for drilling a hole for position to insert the tools to lift the lever gates! It's a rip off of the Aldridge template, the BLA teaches ( wrongly) to use the template to drill a hole big enough (6mm) to be able to lift the the levers without specialist tools. How long you been a locksmith? As for stupid questions, most questions sound stupid to the people who know the answers

[chubby007]

I have never had a training booklet, let alone an copy invoice! Del boy and rodney must be on acid by now

[airbag]

I like Chubby007 trained with the BLA or then AOBL 18mths ago and have been following this conversation with interest, I was never given any copy invoice of set rates to charge. I have always adopted the stance of it is my business and i will charge what i consider the market rate for each job in question. Pinky Don't be of the opinion that the BLA runs our business remember your the BOSS

[pinky]

hey guys, this isnt a shoot the poor guy for having an opinion. the 2mm drill template kit is an excellent aid for a newcommer, as it means hes not going to trash doors.

we have done the bla thing, they are absolute crap and a con at present, when they improve both content of course and ethics and of course price then il maybe review my opinion of them, until then i wont.

in 4 days i would train someone from novice to open cylinder locks, wafer locks, mortice locks, and bs 3621 locks, using the latest tools, including bs picks, 2mm drill template kit etc, they would all be opening non bs 5 lever curtain locks with 2 wires, they would learn digi lock opening and lock id through the keyhole, as part of this i would give them a 100 photo cd of lock id and drill points, a 2mm drill temp kit and manual. all this for £1000 all in.
in a day i would teach bs picks, all 4 methods and curtain wheel picking. at a set £250.
bla charge over £300 just for lock id, the manual is poor and limited, over £600 for cylinders, i dont know what they charge for mortice and bs lock picking, but i doubt that they can or will match me for price nor for quality.

as stated i dont rate bla or the lockeys they turn out in the slightest, they rip these guys off and dont prepare them to earn a living at all.

i dont need to tear into chubby007, if he cant see the business benefit in offering such a guarantee and can do nothing but name call, then so be it, i know what works, i do it every day, i suggest he may rethink when a few lockeys on his patch offer such a guarantee.
oh to be able to charge london rates in notts, but its not so, so you get what the area justifies.

everyone to their own, but i do suggest the name calling stops, this is not a problem till it starts to get personal, the only thing i will say to chubby is if you cant be bothered to read the posts, you wont benefit from the site at all, so no point in being here.

read contribute and alls well in the world, call me by all means, ive been called far worse than idiot, though the guarantee works and if you are unable to offer such a guarantee then maybe your not as good as you think you are.

so i think its best to put this to bed before it becomes personal, as someone will get upset, its a forum not a rifle range.

[pinky]

i think all need to remember that evored was ripped off quite badly by them, so has reason to be upset with them, if a raw nerve has been touched then maybe you now understand why.
as far as im concerned no nerves twanged with me, everyone knows my stance on driller killers and what id do to them, ill informed and unhelpfull posts are a distraction . nothing more.

lets get this back on track, evored and others have good reason to have the hump with the trotters, and this has already been covered, personally i wouldnt admit joining an unrecognised and non existent association, especially paying for it.

i think until something new comes up on bla its pointless trudging over same ground, so lets move on to something productive.

[chubby007]

Pinky ole son, I think you should also read my original post, I do use, wherever possible, non-destructive opening techniques, but simply pointed out that for the fresh faced BLA (sorry to swear again) trainees it is not always a option, financally, to SOME of them. The apology that I posted was light hearted but sincere. I cannot be blamed for someone reading somehthing into what I have written that is clearly not there. You must also be fed up to the back teeth of the cowboys out there, who are definately giving this profession a bad name. If you read my other post you will see that I am whole heartedly behind any incentive to have a fully recognised and vetted organisation that will irradicate the DESTROY AND RUN WITH THE MONEY BRIGADE!!! I take GREAT PRIDE in the job I do and don't charge if I cannot do it. So far I have always been paid. I don't know it all and never will , but i'm also not afraid to ask a stupid question Learning all the time

[toomush2drink]

Im proud to put my hand up and say i am now an idiot, my advert for free lock replacement if i drill it comes out tomorrow. Im in london too chubby so lets hope im not in your area eh, but then again your not bothered by this money losing scheme. How on earth can you call £500 dear for a non destructive course ? thats what justlocks charge for a 2 day course and i did another with lock-god martin newton via justlocks (ken and pinky) for £250 so i can use all the "expensive picks". You may perceive the picks to be expensive but they are not at all when you realise how quick they are compared with a drill,try them and see how effective they are. A securefast should be open in under 5mins max (thats including chatting to the customer as well). I think you need to look into drill template kits a bit more seriously and you will see that not all are the same, you dont lift the levers through the hole on the rb one.As you question these non destructive tools can you please answer this question
"what experience of them have you and have you ever tried them or seen them in action ?"
Im not having a dig just trying to understand a little about your presumptions of these superb tools. Things are changing and if you read through this forum you will see some developments that you should be worried about. How would you cope with a huge advert next to yours in the yellow pages stating a free lock replacement if we drill it, dont you think it would affect your business ?
I applaud your honesty and speaking your mind which isnt always a bad thing but the word on the street with customers is "do you have to drill my lock?" its a question im getting more and more and as they become educated that they dont need to be all the time the drillers will lose out. I for one am educating them.

[pinky]

i read your first post, wasnt it some idiot offers a free lock, well cleverboy how? i think was the terms used, and all were answered.

god i wish i was in london, id cause waves.

i bear no grudge, but whomever told you that non destructive training was expensive, lied or sent you to the wrong course provider.
maybe you should have read through the forum first, then you may have understood more on the subjects, rather than put up an ill informed post.

as said closed book for me, glad you believe in non destructive.

[toomush2drink]

Pinky stay where you are i dont need your type down here competing with me too

[captainsawdust]

Pinky stay where you are i dont need your type down here competing with me too

nor here

[airbag]

london has such a variety of different locks, which BS picks do you invest in with a limited budget. also what size directory advertising have members found to be most effective

[kendale]

Im curious
how many locksmiths would charge £480 if they thought they could and keep the customer?

[kendale]

I dont agree with ripping a customer off but on the other hand im fed up being told so & so locksmiths have offered to do it half price, if so & so had told the truth from the outset there charges would probably go way over what I was charging in the first place, I heard the best yet the other day, locksmith tells customer i can open your safe by drilling but you will have to pay the charges while we wait for the safe to cool down each time, next locksmith offering to open same safe £500 said it would have to be oxyatacetalene torched and the safe would not be repairable to be re-used, do customers really believe this crap?
Regards