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by salzi684 » 21 Jan 2005 12:52
Peaky wrote:I dont know the rules and regs in the usa regarding guns but here even if someone has broken into your property and you are face to face with them the courts in their wisdom would send you to prison if you shoot them.
In their wisdom, lol. 
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by SFGOON » 21 Jan 2005 12:57
Somebody on this site set up a system involving a motion detector linked to a computer camera that would e-mail a picture of the intruder to a cell phone when triggered. That might be right up your alley.
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by Mr Ules » 21 Jan 2005 13:11
In regards to those who want to kill or scare the person, killing the stalker would solve the problem, however, then you'd have to live with that knowledge. And scaring the person with a dog won't stop them from stalking you. You want to have to person arrested. This would provide more reassurance of safety. Imagine you scared the stalker away from your home, perhaps this individual will leave you alone, and maybe not.
Refere to the movie Fatel attraction.
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by fugi » 21 Jan 2005 13:13
I'd rather live with the fact I whacked someone than have the sneaky bastard get in when I'm asleep and off me instead.
Anyone who becomes master of a city accustomed to freedom and does not destroy it may expect to be destroyed by it; for such a city may always justify rebellion in the name of liberty and its ancient institutions. -Niccolo Machiavelli
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by jason » 21 Jan 2005 14:07
Hmmm if I caught the herbert I would sign him up for the "Readers Digest" and the "Which" magazine subscription and just hope that he doesn't sue me for violating his human rights!
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by Kigga » 21 Jan 2005 15:38
stalked, what do you do for a living??
i think you should get a alarm system on your house. and put like a cage around your electrical gauges so no one can drain out your electricity so your alarm system wont work.
Scan your computer for trojans, or download trojans and see if you can connect to yourself. if u can then u can uninstall the trojan from the trojan itself.
If u dont want ur car to be jacked, put one of those steering wheel locks and wheel locks on ur car. If you have a jeep or dodge car, they are reallly ez to steal..(from personal experience, i could get into and jeep or dodge with a flathead screwdriver and drive away)
so dont buy those shitty cars.
Also you should REALLY get a bug detector to see if your being surviellenced.
When i want to do a job i make sure i know everything about the house and the person before completing. So i bug the guy, camreas, microphones, the works...
SO REALLY GET A BUG DETECTOR
hopefully that has helped you
o yeah, buy medeco locks, there a to open 
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by zeke79 » 21 Jan 2005 17:24
fugi wrote:if you're truly concerned about your safety, a nice 12ga will only cost you $150. remington 870 or a norinco 98. loaded with 00 or 000 buckshot is good. purely defensive measures like locks and cameras will only get you so far.
That will only work if he is home. This person is stopping by when he is out of the house. A gun would do nothing in this situation. You really want to freak the guy out take weeks vacation and stay home. Dont leave or turn on any lights. Cover your living room in plastic on the floors and walls. Throw 2 9mm empty handgun cases in plain site and strew cinema blood everywhere along with drag marks leading to the door. Wait until you hear him enter your home and try to not laugh.
The next day make sure you make plenty of appearances outside the house and put the plastic in your trashcan with a little hanging out the side. Any fool in his right mind would never return. 
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by locksmistress » 21 Jan 2005 17:46
Stalked -
If you are conducting this conversation from your home or work computer you need to stop. If this individual has invaded your life as pervasively as you say then he/she is privy to everything that has been said here.
It is probably someone very close to you who you either trust or are indifferent to; probably someone who has access to your mail, keys, wallet, phone, etc... without you knowing it. For example, a coworker who might 'borrow' things from your workspace while you are on break.
It may be a close friend's idea of a very sick joke, or you may have a very sick close friend. The point is they are reacting too quickly and thoroughly not to have your unwitting cooperation or at the very least a certain long term proximity.
Whatever you do, you should do it quickly - and notify the authorities of everything - even if they don't do anything.
It would be a very good idea to implement some sort of surveillance on your residence - camera, PI, make friends with all your neighbors.
Also - this may sound stupid - keep a journal. Keep it with you. Be sure to write everything that seems odd as you become aware of it. Include notes on possible timing. For example - if a photo was there when you left in the morning and gone when you came home, make note of the hours you were not in the house. Even if nothing happens - make a note that nothing happened.
Make copies of your journal and give them to people - hopefully your stalker is an individual and as long as you're dealing with several people you think you can trust you're almost certainly dealing with at least one person you can really trust.
It sounds like you've been enduring this for some time. Whatever resources you can get together - do it as soon as you can. Even if you have no immediate fear for your physical safety - people change, relationships evolve.
It's worth contacting every person who could possibly help you - borrow money, accept favors, do whatever you have to do to and do it now.
Good luck.
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by Chronos » 21 Jan 2005 17:56
Here in Arizona you can carry anything short of a fully automatic weapon (which you can carry with an easy-too-obtain permit) so long as it's in plain sight and once somone enters your house without your permission, if you feel like you or your faimily member's health is in danger you can use lethal force to remove the person. Same on the street too actually. Heck, I am 17 and I legally own a 20/20 rifle and could walk down the street waving it around if I wanted. We have pretty lax laws in AZ.
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by SFGOON » 21 Jan 2005 19:49
Bwaaaa! Those who are not extensively, formally trained in firearms combatives should not make gun ownership central to thier personal safety strategy. The level of peripheral tragedy, (such as shooting a neighboor kid who crept into your yard playing "ninja") is far too great. Also, the psychological impact of killing is immense - the smell of somebody's insides NEVER leaves you, nor the red mist that hangs in the air. Stick to personal awareness and leave guns to police officers et al. The liabilities and potential for tragedy are too great.
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by hzatorsk » 21 Jan 2005 20:18
Chronos wrote:...I am 17 and I legally own a 20/20 rifle and could walk down the street waving it around if I wanted. We have pretty lax laws in AZ...
Perhaps you should research Arizona law on brandishing a weapon, open carry and concealed carry. You are seriously wrong in your assessment as you cannot legally wave a rifle around while walking down the street in Arizona.
A good review is here: http://www.packing.org/state/index.jsp/arizona
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by Chronos » 21 Jan 2005 20:30
hzatorsk wrote:Chronos wrote:...I am 17 and I legally own a 20/20 rifle and could walk down the street waving it around if I wanted. We have pretty lax laws in AZ...
Perhaps you should research Arizona law on brandishing a weapon, open carry and concealed carry. You are seriously wrong in your assessment as you cannot legally wave a rifle around while walking down the street in Arizona. A good review is here: http://www.packing.org/state/index.jsp/arizona
Okay, I didn't literally mean wave it around. That was an embellishment.. I understand that brandishing a lethal weapon is illegal, and I understand that there are laws about carrying a concealed weapon. I understand that I can't carry any concealed firearm legally without a permit. I was exaggerating about the brandishing, and I was overgeneralizing about the semi-auto thing, I know there are semi-auto's that you can't own without a permit in AZ. I am sorry that you felt I needed to be corrected in that.
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by Chronos » 21 Jan 2005 20:46
Oh, and by the way, I completely agree with you SFGOON. As I previously stated, I do own a rifle but it is a family aireloom and is purely for ornamentation, I've never even owned the ammo for it. If I ever do buy ammo for it for target practice or something, it will be stored somewhere other than my house permanently. If someone were to enter my house to be honest I would prefer not to have a gun in my hands as I would be tempted to use it, and in my opinion the burgler's life is more important than whatever he would be trying to steal.
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by Lost In The USA » 21 Jan 2005 21:17
Quin wrote:Under our law it must be reasonable force. We had a case a few years ago where an elderly man, who had been repeatedly burgled, had had enough and went to bed with a shot gun beside him. He disturbed 2 thieves in his house and shot and killed one of them. He was jailed for life.
that’s because he shot and killed a kid who was running away from him with no weapon - in other words there was no immediate risk to himself or his property and he let it fly
the gun was unlicensed (in other words he had an illegal firearm and was breaking the law himself)
for the record i was living in norfolk at the time (rural area in the uk with LOTS of farms that get broken into)
personally i hope he stays in nick for the rest of his natural
he broke the law and must pay - there shouldn’t be one law for some and one for others - the law applies equally to all ]- break it and live with the consequences
here in MN if you shoot an unarmed person in your house there’s a very good chance of going to jail for it. same as if you booby-trap your house you’re going to spend time with bubba and friends. unless you can justify to a police officer that shooting was the only way to protect yourself and family then your going to prison
There’s a lot of police at the shooting range i go to and turning up in a locksmith van means they generally stop and talk 
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by fugi » 21 Jan 2005 22:18
no, the law doesn't apply equally to all, because depending on what state you're in, the law is completely different. you can't get away with something in say NY or CA that you can in TX.
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