New lever pick idea

by **Peaky** » 7 Mar 2005 8:21

Rick, about your universal P+C,

Are you using the same length pins for all locks? if so what lengths are you using?

Is it purley for 5 levers? as mine is capable of ANY lock with ANY number of levers and can be updated to ANY new locks/keyways very very quickly and easily,

I will be honest and state as i have previously, that mine is not tested yet as i have yet to make up the pins,

Incidentally on mine i am looking at around 3.2mm of lift on the pins!

A pm is more than acceptable if you would rather not post this info although as a word of warning i will be submitting FULL working drawings of my device on site when testing is done.

by **Rick-the-Pick** » 7 Mar 2005 8:59

Hi Peak's, i dont mind answering that one here,
I have a full set of pin's that i cut roughly to size in mm! I will need to make a few sets of different width!
They are roughly measured, and lift the levers by 2mm a time.
for speed you need a plastesine impression and calipers!
The feel of this tool is second to none, but i've used bearings and bushes in it's construction! im still working on the easy connection for the different bits!
Peaky, If you pm me your email i can send you some pictures
How you going to get 3.5 mm lift! I can only think of you using wire!
Again, i will tell you where to get most supplies from if you're stuck.
All my material is medical stuff, bloody expensive to!
I now think we are hitting the mark for what we should publish here!

by **Peaky** » 7 Mar 2005 9:40

Rick, im sorry i mis typed, its 2.2mm of lift.

See pm.

by **TOWCH** » 7 Mar 2005 15:22

What about a tube within a tube within a tube type design? Something like an antenna. Inner most tube is solid rod and is the tensioner, and the surrounding tubes have the end split and bent to work the levers.This seems easier to me than trying to get 5 wires to cooperate with eachother.

by **Rick-the-Pick** » 7 Mar 2005 15:51

They're on the market already,
Forgive me if i'm wrong, but i think they're called two in one's!

by **Peaky** » 8 Mar 2005 7:27

TOWCH,

That is next on the list believe it or not, i was wondering about the strength of an antenna once the leverlifter had been cut and bent out but only experiments will tell,

Rick,

Yes like a 2in1 but i think you may have slightly missed the idea, it is to have 5 lever lifters in the same tool so it would be a 6 in 1 (bolt thrower and 5 lever lifters)

Im going to concentrate on finishing my P+C set first but if an antenna comes my direction in the meantime i will go back on to it, (im not going to spend Â£12+ on one to cut up and not work i have one somewhere but havent found it yet)

by **Rick-the-Pick** » 8 Mar 2005 11:31

Sod that Peak's,
you'ld have to make a five in one, and a six, and a seven!
All that work and then it get's broken!
Is it designed for curtain's? It would have to be, cos they dont take long to open with a two in one! :wink:

by **Peaky** » 8 Mar 2005 13:30

Yes it was for bs locks only but to be honest i think my P+C is going to be the one.

by **32768** » 23 Mar 2005 0:14

I've been playing around making a pin and cam for an era 5 lever curtain lock as that's the only modern lever lock I have. I have a somewhat silly question which I thought I'd ask here since there are so many good pick makers.

I understand how the pick works, and I've actually built something that'll open my lock. My question is what keeps the pins from falling out of the commerical picks? I'm using a heavy grease to stick them in, but that's not really optimal. I figure that there must be some elegant solution and I've had various ideas involving o-rings, hair springs, etc, but nothing that seems really workable. It would probably be obvious if I'd ever held one of the real picks, but I'm working from catalog photos and the descriptions on this forum. Thanks!

by **Chris B** » 23 Mar 2005 4:07

Good morning 32768,

Depending on the materials that you've used, you might try magnetising the pins, other than that, grease is the norm. And generally causes no problems.

regards Chris B

by **Peaky** » 23 Mar 2005 5:25

White grease to stop the mess :wink:

by **Chris B** » 23 Mar 2005 7:31

Hi Peaky how are you getting along?

Are you going to send me an update?

Ref above: your white grease: Goose-grease, Bear-grease or Brylcream?? :lol:

Super glue holds the pins down well but slows the process down somewhat :lol:

regards and Hoppity Happity Easter
Chris B

by **Rick-the-Pick** » 23 Mar 2005 12:31

62768,
As long as your pin's fit snuggly into the hole's in the bit, grease will be sufficient, make sure you pack as much grease into the end prior to connecting together! Regrease the holes every time you use the pick!

It'd be great to see your pin & cam, can you post any picture's?

by **Peaky** » 24 Mar 2005 8:03

Chris, pm'd ya.

by **tri-city** » 16 Apr 2005 21:54

peaky ive just seen your post on making the 5 lever pick so now n\know why you need to have thin wire... with wire the problem is how strong it is ... i have access to wire of different types so ill phone the person involved and see what they have. piano wire is 1895n/mm (2) that galvanised is 2316n/mm (2) but i have some 2650n/mm (2) but this is 2.03mm thick... the point is the tensile strength is much stronger so if you was to somehow make it a little thinner you still have a very strong wire. the thing is this guy only sells in bulk so your looking at about Â£120 for about 600metres thats a lot of picks. ill phone him to see if he has some thinner wire but the same n/mm (2) or tensile strength and ill get back to you,,,, ive designed a wire that fits nicely into the keyway even when in the pick and the keyway is pretty narrow. maybe we couls swap notes as well. ive never seen this design on any picks (wire picks anyway )

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