South East Lockpicking Meetings

[Wallaby]

added another photo of the picks made from tAlan's sweeper bristles .. they look good and work well ... top man for bringing them along on the day ....

[NORMYPOD]

I'VE HAD A LOOK AT THIS INSTITUTE OF CERTIFIED LOCKSMITHS AND WANT TO KNOW IF IT IS OFFICIALLY RECOGNISED AS NO-ONE IN THE MLA HAS HEARD OF IT. OR IS IT JUST ANOTHER BLA SCAM.

[mcm757207]

[Wallaby]

The standards set by the ICL certainly seem to far exceed those set by the MLA on their members. Its about time that an organisation was established to take this profession to a higher level and not rip off its members in the process.

[NORMYPOD]

I think you would say that because you run the company????

[NORMYPOD]

oh and by the way is it you selling cowboy courses on ebay

[Wallaby]

well, its not a company and I don't run it. Its an association run by locksmiths for locksmiths. I have to say that as this is your first first post on 101, you have contributed absolutely nothing to the site as a result. As for e-bay, I agree the courses being sold on there are a joke.

[NORMYPOD]

It is my first post under this name but i just feel that its a bit rich you slaggling people for training others when you have someone like pinky training carentry when he's not been long doing it himself much like the same situation with tricity not so long ago. Why is it wrong for him to do when it's ok for you????

You say it's not your company but how come all emails come to you and you run the website etc.

Anyhow we are going away from my original question which was about it not being officially recognised.

I have no major issues with you running this non company as long as you admit it is not officially recognised.

[Wallaby]

I frankly dont care what you have an issue with , its just a shame you are not on the same page as the majority of locksmiths on here who want to better the industry. You clearly have nothing to contribute to this site so suggest you go elsewhere.

I have no issue with pinky, not sure why you think I would, especially as he is a member of the ICL too. Somebody has to to administer the website and several of us have volunteered to do it. That way, its good value for all.

This thread and my posts were about making lock picks, pity you have ruined that for everybody with your spineless, nameless posts.

I guess you have some chip on your shoulder, probably because the ICL has rejected your application ?

In any event, if you are not interested in the future of this industry, it certainly puts you in the distant past.

[pinky]

having just logged on and found this , im taken aback by it, the forming of an association promoting higher standards and NDE has been discussed for the past 12 months on 101 , and The ICL is the fruits of this discussion.
The ICL puts strict rules and codes of conduct on its members , and guarantees the customer a new lock if drilled or damaged, only members with sufficient tools and skill will join as not all have that degree of skill yet.

The ICL is A NON PROFIT MAKING ORGANISATION , With all profits being put back into member benefits such as area marketing, training days , and advertising, when ICL has a National coverage it will be canvassing insurance companies and the like to bring the locksmith work back to the locksmiths and not to nationals.

i was intrigued to see that i am now teaching auto opening, Since when ? this is the first i have heard of this and is total bull, which shows just how little you know.
i will be teaching just 1 part of the ICL Group course , and that is the NDE Lever Lock opening , another tutor does cylinders and another carpentry and another autos, in fact the auto locksmith teaching the auto opening is well known to the MLA. So before spouting off about subjects you know nothing about check out the facts first.

The ICL is an association of like minded Locksmiths who through discussion here on 101 and on other forums that you may not have access to, have joined together to promote higher industry standards and fully promote NDE as the only way forward for industry, the industry is in a mess due to con men and unskilled rogues posing as locksmiths, toolmakers and trainers, ICL is Addressing the balance.

The guidelines are there for all to see , if you can live with the higher standards, and work honestly and ethicly , then apply and join, if not then dont , ICL will be leading the way that others must raise their game to in order to compete on a level playing field.

ICL has been busy canvassing parliment and the house of lords, and the federation of chief constables, it is currently canvassing manufacturers and suppliers to gain bulk buy discounts and benefits for its members.
As wallaby has said, ICL was born through 101 discussions, is an association for locksmiths and run by locksmiths for the better of its membership and the industry and of course the customer as a whole, had it not been i for one would not be getting involved.

So if you have genuine concerns , then stop hiding behind your alias, and be man enough to post your concerns under your real name, if not then i suggest you crawl back to obscurity or which ever rock you crawled out from under, and leave those Locksmiths that are trying to better industry do so.

The only people that need be concerned about ICL are the rogues , the driller killers, the unskilled and dishonest, and if you are one of these then i understand your rant, if not then put up or shut up my friend, read The ICL Guidelines and digest, and if you are good enough and honest enough to work within them , then im sure they will welcome you too.

i cant see where or how any one can critisise a non profit making body trying to benefit its members and its industry , unless of course they havnt the sense to digest and understand.

i wont be drawn into an online scrap over ICl , i have joined and given my 100% backing to something i believe passionately in, i dont decide policy, nor do i decide who gets in and doesnt, this is no one persons decision, and will eventualy be the decision of the full membership from what i gather , i believe in it, and will support it.

If anyone has any intelligent comments on ICL feel free to email them or pm me, but i wont answer gutless posts by gutless individuals hiding behind an alias on the subject, thats not what i log on to 101 for, when here im a 101 mod and member dealing with 101 business.

[NORMYPOD]

Obviously i have offended pinky and wallabey and causing offence is not what I am about. I am deeply concerned about values and a fair deal for locksmiths and customers and so i suspect is parliment and all the regulatry bodies involved.

My point is that I was unaware whether the icl is officialy recognised or not. To the best of my knowledge it isn't and as such this isn't a problem. The problem comes when its founders aka yourself and others plug it as being so.

Do me a favour and lets end this bickering with my original and final question on this forum before a crawl back under my rock.

It's not a difficult question to answer and unfortunately a refusal to answer it with a simple yes or no will in my mind and certainly any other sane level headed induviduals mind mean that the answer is no.

In this case stop pretending the icl is a certified officially recognised organisation and we will all be happy. Perhaps we can bury the hatchet and as you say we all want standards to be raise and to eliminate cowboys from this industy. I just feel that an organisation claiming to want to do this should be honest and upfront. I't remains to be seen if your organisation is this and you can prove this to be by answering the above question with either yes or no.

Also on a lighter note is your real name pinky and if so I applaud you for not hiding behind such an embarrising name.

Anyway I'll leave it at that and await your honest and upfront organisations answer to my very simple question.

I look forward to

[Wallaby]

Well, I have stoppped laughing at you now, but you really are a joke. You are an example of the poison in the industry and its refusal to change.

You are an example of why the ICL is needed.

Incidently, there is nothing and upfront and honest about you is there ?

To answer your question, we have approached many parlimentary bodies and I spent today in private meetings at Westminster to discuss this issue. YES, they recognise us and I have many letters of support from them and various MPS and members of the House of Lords. Academic recognition is being followed through and I'm sure we will get it.

Dont forget that this is real recognition and not like the BLA who just join the TMF for £200 and now claim they are recognised.

As the MLA is just another association and is not any kind of legal authority, what exactly do you want in terms of recognition ? (By the way, the ICL totally recognises the MLA as an association which you will see if you bothered to read the site).

If you post again, how about telling us who you are ? or are you really that pathetic ?

[Rockford]

Have I missed something ?. I've looked through the ICL site, and cannot find reference to ICL being "officially recognised". The point has been made that it's an association of like minded people who want to better them selves and the industry we work within. What's important is that the association is recognised for its members commitment to its principles - one of which is NDE openings.

Word soon spreads, and I hope to see ICL grow over the next 6-12 months, attracting the right sort of membership.

Nonsense such as this only strengthens the need for such an association - to weed out the idiots.

[toomush2drink]

One question normypod how do you think your business will go when the icl gets big adverts next to yours advertising a new lock if they drill it ? I would put more time into picking locks so you dont get caught out afterall this is a lock picking forum. Im the first to put my hand up and say its tough standards to meet but its something to aspire to and great for the future of this industry, it will alienate the drill for profit merchants from the public once it gathers momentum and im sure reactfast will start to worry too. The dodgy locksmiths schools that have sprung up all over the place will now have to take it up a level especially if the students start asking if they will able to to nde at the end of the 2 day course.

Its easy to react in certain ways to new things but it also shows the impact the I.C.L going to have already, fear of change shows itself in many ways.

[NORMYPOD]

no i am not too pathatic to reveal my true identity but everyone on her is hiding behind an alias so why should i be the only one to reveal myself. Yes sure people know who some of you are but that is just through freindships and word of mouth. I have been a guest on this site for aroud the last 6 months now and have read a lot of the squabbling and just feel a lot of double standards go on on some threads. Now my name is associated with this squabble i feel by revealing my true identity it may jepordise my mla membership.

I work non destructivly and have done for a number of years and I also adapted the offer of replacing any drill blocks for free over 18 months ago. I find that 70% of my work are upvc doors.

I leave you now with the satisfaction that you have in some way answered my question that the organisation is not yet fully officially recognised but I accept that you are working hard to make it as respected as the mla and maybe if you liase with them they may be able to give you some pointers as to how to get where they are.

I leave now as this bickering gets us nowhere and i wish you well with the future of your association.

I would like to add that I didn't at any point call any off you insulting names and was simply looking for an answer to my question. It's a shame that you didn't bear me the same respect.

toodlepip