Medeco pickproof?

[toppercat]

The standard schlage 600 series deadbolt is an awesome deadbolt. About a hundred bucks. If you can find a 500 on ebay, thats a very nice one too. They can be keyed in a way to seriously deter picking and don't have that "Honkin" look on a door. The keys are cheap and readily avalable. Whereas the high security keys are around $9. ea. You can ask a locksmith to pin it in a way to make it really hard to pick. They will understand and ablige. Ask them if they have "mushroom pins" and "Hardened pins" They will understand that too. In my opinion, It can be just as frustrating and hard to pick a lock pined in this way as it would be to pick a high security. Its cheaper and doesn't look bad on a door. Of course there are plusses to buying high security that regular locks dont have. Key control for one.

[rayman452]

OMG, can't thermite be used to open these locks?




Try putting not only a medeco lock on your door, put like a medeco deadbolt and a Multi-T-Lock, or an Aloby Discus, so they have to bring mroe then one tool.

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[Ezer]

Careful or DB might smite you with his new uber mod powers.

[Ben WV]

I think these distinctions between "Pick proof" and "Pick resistant" border on meaningless. People who are into lockpicking get extremely galled over the idea of a lock they can't touch. So these threads are always full of anecdotes about how "one time in 1984, after 17 hours and 3 pots of coffee, I opened up a medeco." ( so no lock is pick-proof).

Even if you're prepared to believe half of these stories, it doesn't exactly lead to the conclusion that it's possible to get to a level of skill where one can reliably pick medeco locks. In fact, I'd be very comfortable betting anything I own that if you took ANY locksmith in the US, set him down in front of a medeco deadbolt with a pick set and started a 48 hour timer, he'd still be sitting in front of a locked deadbolt two days later.

[vector40]

... a hundred bucks for a Schlage deadbolt?

[TOWCH]

Even if you're prepared to believe half of these stories, it doesn't exactly lead to the conclusion that it's possible to get to a level of skill where one can reliably pick medeco locks. In fact, I'd be very comfortable betting anything I own that if you took ANY locksmith in the US, set him down in front of a medeco deadbolt with a pick set and started a 48 hour timer, he'd still be sitting in front of a locked deadbolt two days later.

There's a video of someone doing it in five minutes durring a competition.

[Mad Mick]

In fact, I'd be very comfortable betting anything I own that if you took ANY locksmith in the US, set him down in front of a medeco deadbolt with a pick set and started a 48 hour timer, he'd still be sitting in front of a locked deadbolt two days later.

There's a video of someone doing it in five minutes during a competition.

Be best not to bet the underwear then...and in front of all those people. Oh, the shame.

[Chrispy]

"It is always a good idea to make your words sweet and tasteful, one day you may have to eat them...."

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[Ben WV]

Where's the video?

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The video is of Barry Wels, it is in just under 3 minutes. It's cool and all, but Barry posted pictures of what the pins in that lock looked like after he'd picked it, and it makes me question if the "integrity" of the lock was perhaps compromised. So the bottom line is... maybe he can and maybe he can't.

The video can be found on the toool site.

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[zeke79]

In the toool circle I believe they really enjoy the raking style of picking. What that medeco went through was sheer torture. I am not sure the actual key to the lock would have opened it at that point. Raking is a skill, I will not argue that. When the time comes the Kwikset, Schlage, US Locks, Almont ReKey or whatever it is you are working on, it may pop open in one rake. I do practice raking, but what I practice much much more is single pin picking and the sensitivity of my hands. Single pin picking builds dexterity. Barry Wells is an amazing picker all the way around and not just at raking, i am not talking down to Barry or anyone in the toool groop in anyway. I believe we need locksports groups to grow and prosper and more than anything share information and techniques. What I am saying is I can give just about any foole off of the street a 30 second lesson a tension wrench, rake, and a Kwikset and that person will open that lock within a few minutes. Now just to put my money where my mouth is, could I rake a new medeco in 5 minutes? Not to save my arse. Could I rake the one that Barry Wells was working with in 5 minutes? I would sure like to give it a shot !

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Most certainly the key would no longer operate that particular Medeco of Barry's. It was in pretty rough shape. I should mention as well, that I'm not trying to disparage Barry or his efforts at all. A picked Medeco is cool no matter how you chalk it up, but if the actual security of the lock has been compromised and, thus, the lock is easier to pick, then that has to be considered. I can pick my Medeco too with one very small alteration to it.... namely, removing the sidebar.

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[MrB]

What kind of Medeco did you get and where did you get it? Ebay?