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re-pinnable deadbolts or KIK

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re-pinnable deadbolts or KIK

Postby poor paperclip picker » 21 Nov 2007 18:12

I am looking to get a new lock that is re-pinnable, I just have one question. If I got to the store and pick up a Brinks deadbolt for example, it comes with the key and the corresponding pins in the cylinder right? But how would I re-pin it? Would I need a pin set, or does it come with extra pins? Because I already have a Schlage KIK, that I re pinned when I worked with them this past summer. So should I just buy a re pinning set? Any other ideas or suggestion will be greatly appreciated.

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Postby mitch.capper » 21 Nov 2007 18:23

to repin it to another key you would most likely need a pinning kit (unless you were lucky and they were the right pins in the wrong order).

If this is for practice then you dont *need* a repinning kit as you can just swap pins but if you want to create hard combinations past what pins it has in it you would.

A local locksmith may be willing to give/sell you pins at a low price.
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Postby poor paperclip picker » 21 Nov 2007 19:06

alright, well this is for practice purposes only, so I will go to my local locksmith and try to get some pins.

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Postby Marco » 22 Nov 2007 1:44

You only need to buy a pinning kit if you want to pin it exactly the way you want it. It won't come with any extra pins. Or, you can repin the lock using the pins that are already in the cylinder, and just change their order around.
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Postby dougfarre » 22 Nov 2007 13:22

pm jgor, he knows about the special brinks lock at walmart. I'm pretty sure it comes with extra pins for repining on your own. Its a really cool lock. You should buy it, its cheap.
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Postby jgor » 22 Nov 2007 22:57

Walmart carries a product called the Brinks House Key Padlock. It's a brass padlock that comes with a key decoder, allen wrench, and a package of color-coded pins, everything you need to repin the padlock. The lock is sold in Kwikset and Schlage keyway models, the idea being you can repin the padlock to match your existing Kwikset or Schlage house deadbolts.

The padlock is usually located on the deadbolt / doorknob aisle, rather than with the other padlocks.
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Postby dougfarre » 22 Nov 2007 23:12

Its the locksporter's dream! There is no reason why every beginner locksporter on this site shouldn't own six of these :)
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Postby zeke79 » 22 Nov 2007 23:35

If your wal mart is like mine and does not carry the rekeyable brinks padlock set then I do make up key and pin sets for sale. I can supply the proper pins and a key to operate the lock with those pins. As an option, I can also supply extra springs and or security pins (spool and seratted). PM me for details if you are interested in a setup such as this. In these sets, I only supply pins and precut keys for schlage and kwikset locks. I can supply other pinning sets for other locks but the set will not come with OEM pins as the schlage and kwikset locks do. They will be supplied with pins from a universal .003 kit. These locks still function virtually as well as locks pinned with OEM pins, but the pin tips are not to factory specs. The pin length still allows proper operation but the pins are not to actual OEM specifications. All keys supplied in these sets are cut to code. No duplications are used to ensure a perfectly cut key and a perfectly operating lock.

If you buy a schlage lock for practicing and rekeying such as this, keep in mind that to rekey them you will need a plug follwer and pinning tweezers. For the beginner, I recommend a kwikset deadbolt if you are going to be rekeying to more difficult bitting etc as they require no special tools to rekey them. You do not have to buy a set of pinning tweezers or a plug follower to repin them. All you need to do is remove the top pin cap, drop out the old top pins, bottome pins, and springs and put in your new ones. Then you are ready to go. If you happen to make a mistake pinning and are unable to pick it, you do not have to shim it to get it back apart. You simply remove the top pin retaining cap again, dump out all the the parts and start over with the pinning process.

Kwikset deadbolts are a great lock to get started repinning locks to a harder bitting. I recommend buying a kwikset double cylinder deadbolt as for only a couple dollars more you end up with two locks to pick instead of one lock you would receive if buying a single cylinder deadbolt with a thumb turn on the inside.

Again, if you are interested in a rekey set just drop me a pm. In the pm please note whether you want any security pins as an option and how many of each type of pin you would like. You may also pm me if you have any questions about this topic.

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Postby poor paperclip picker » 23 Nov 2007 4:02

So I just got back from my local walmart, and I could not find the Brinks House Key Padlock :( . So I am going to try other hardware stores tomorrow since it is now 4 am. Hopefully I will find one, because it seems like a great set to have. I am really looking forward to get one. If anyone knows of any other places to pick one of these sets up let me know.
(ps Zeke there will probably be a PM on the way :))
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