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Raking VS. Scrubbing

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Raking VS. Scrubbing

Postby WolfSpring » 10 Sep 2009 1:15

Again I searched and found nothing on Scrubbing.

I read the MIT guide and have done a lot of research and I keep seeing the term "scrubbing" come up. As i read it, it pretty much reads the same as the term "raking" are they the same? Or is scrubbing more agressive with more tension? My mind is saying they are the same, but maybe I'm missing something.

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Re: Raking VS. Scrubbing

Postby LocksmithArmy » 10 Sep 2009 1:24

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Re: Raking VS. Scrubbing

Postby GottFoo » 10 Sep 2009 3:06

Did you try google? The search on this site does not seem to be picking up older topics.
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.lockpicking101.com+scrubbing&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&fp=d6985f0b1643625b

(I guess the url tag doesn't like that url. Try googling "site:http://www.lockpicking101.com scrubbing")
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Re: Raking VS. Scrubbing

Postby JK_the_CJer » 10 Sep 2009 14:24

LocksmithArmy already linked to it, but here's how I see it:

Raking - Any random/chaotic movement
Scrubbing - Scraping in an in-out/out-in motion on the tips of the pins
Jiggling - Bouncing in/out motion that aims to simulate many bittings rather than randomly set pins
Rocking - Similar to jiggling but with almost no in/out motion under tension

Other possible terms that no one uses:

Swipe? - A single quick outward/inward scrubbing motion
Rakewalking? - Outward swipes that do not start from the last pin/wafer
Reverse-raking? - Rake after lifting fully and holding tension while lowering the pick
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Re: Raking VS. Scrubbing

Postby apb » 10 Sep 2009 21:37

JK_the_CJer wrote:Rocking - Similar to jiggling but with almost no in/out motion under tension



I like this one. I have a kwikset "max" security dead bolt that all it needs is to insert a pick, any pick or rake, all the way to the back and lift the handle once or twice while applying tension. Not really picking of raking but the term rocking works excellent here.
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Re: Raking VS. Scrubbing

Postby lock2006 » 11 Sep 2009 0:05

Well sometimes i use this method
(Scrubbing - Scraping in an in-out/out-in motion on the tips of the pins) when i SPP on some american locks
and it works excellent all the time i use this method.
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Re: Raking VS. Scrubbing

Postby ElbowMacaroni » 11 Sep 2009 0:34

Personally, I rake in the yard, and scrub in the shower... just sayin...
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Re: Raking VS. Scrubbing

Postby jdislandlock » 11 Sep 2009 11:37

ElbowMacaroni wrote:Personally, I rake in the yard, and scrub in the shower... just sayin...

hahahah way to put it to proper use ;)
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Re: Raking VS. Scrubbing

Postby raimundo » 21 Sep 2009 7:44

APB's post reminded me of an idea I had to make type of overlifter pick that would be just a straight probe mounted inside a tube like a piece of a bic pen barrel and set up to be swiftly withdrawn by a compressed coil spring when a trigger is pulled,
the idea is to lift all the pins and drop them nearly simultaneously when the coil spring is unleashed on the probe tip. I havent made one yet, but the idea is to have all the pins dropping from the top of the keyway at once while tensioning the lock.
go ahead and make one if you like the idea and the show it here if it works.
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Re: Raking VS. Scrubbing

Postby MacGyver101 » 21 Sep 2009 8:24

raimundo wrote:the idea is to lift all the pins and drop them nearly simultaneously

Hrm... neat idea! One potential problem, though, is that I'm not sure that gravity would pull the bottom pins down faster than the springs would push the drivers back down? (Or am I misunderstanding how your idea would work? In a sense, you're sort of proposing the reverse of a "bump key", yes?)
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Re: Raking VS. Scrubbing

Postby LocksmithArmy » 21 Sep 2009 13:57

I think the idea is for the tip pon to stop on the shear line, like when you over lift with a rake, it deffinatly wont fall faster than the spring could push it.

making this should be easy, I will start looking for parts and see if I can get one built...
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Re: Raking VS. Scrubbing

Postby papa_delicious » 24 Sep 2009 14:39

I have gotten good results using a rocking/jiggling technique, as opposed to raking/scrubbing which I usually have little luck with (using a snake, this is)
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