S&G 831B Question

[golgo13]

Hi,
I was wondering i just got S&G 831B that came with only one key i was gonna get a key duped for it but don't know much about it.
By reading the key inscription and the core i get that it's still the original core
Was wondering if anyone can help in telling me what key i need for it
Thanks

[MacGyver101]

The S&G 831B uses a Medeco cylinder with a restricted keyway: unfortunately, you will not be able to take it to a locksmith and get a duplicate made.

Just as an aside... you say that you only have one key: I'm not sure if you have the operating key (which only unlocks the lock), or the control key (which allows you to disassemble it). If you just have the operating key, you can make a control key by just filing off enough of the key's shoulder to allow it to turn counter-clockwise. (The operating and control keys are otherwise identical.)

[golgo13]

When i got it off ebay i was sent an operator's key with the shoulder filed off i don't live in the states so i was hoping that maybe if i had blanks or take it to a locksmith i might be able to get a dup of it

[Squelchtone]

When i got it off ebay i was sent an operator's key with the shoulder filed off i don't live in the states so i was hoping that maybe if i had blanks or take it to a locksmith i might be able to get a dup of it

You can get a non military, commercial keyway cylinder and new keys for around $60-$90 US, but even those cylinders and keys are becoming very difficult to find and Medeco may have stopped making them in the last 6 months. This site claims to sell them, but I think when you order a month later, he'll tell you that Medeco says they're out of stock, so email or call before placing the order

If you mail me the cylinder and key I may be able to repin/rekey it for you to some matching keys I have. Let me check if I have enough keys that are the same cuts and angles.

I might have some spare parts...

[Schuyler]

No one better to trust your S&G 831B to than Squelch.

[golgo13]

Squelch
Man u got a crazy collection of S&G so jealous was gonna get a blank of this http://mysecuritypro.com/medecoa1638biaxialg3.aspx
And hope that maybe one of my local locksmith's have an angle cutter

[Squelchtone]

Squelch
Man u got a crazy collection of S&G so jealous was gonna get a blank of this http://mysecuritypro.com/medecoa1638biaxialg3.aspx
And hope that maybe one of my local locksmith's have an angle cutter

I dont think you're understanding .. the shape of the keyhole in those padlocks is reserved for US military use. you cannot get the blank keys from anywhere unless you buy used already cut keys on ebay. Just buying a Medeco key and taking the key to the locksmith will not work, they have so many differently shaped keyways.

The one you showed in your link is a 6 pin Biaxial G3 keyway.. yours is a 6 pin Non-Biaxial (Original) 02 keyway. 00 Keyway is called AIR, 04 keyway is called SKY, and you CAN buy those on ebay or a locksmith, but you cannot buy a 02 key that would actually insert into your lock. a 00 key, a G3 key, a 04 key will not even insert into your padlock.

Squelchtone

[golgo13]

Ah i see thanks for the head up, just curious if i was to start hunting for the keys what name of code should i be after in that case
Thanks in advance

[unlisted]

You will never find those key blanks for a military lock anywhere. The only place that can order blanks is the procurement dept with the US military/DOD, and its immediate supply branches.

That keyway was never intended for public ownership. I would wish you luck in your search for those blanks, but I already know you will not find any.

+1 on getting squelchtone to deal with it.. may cost ya a few pennies thou. Totally worth it overall.

[Wizer]

Someone with Easy Entrie - machine might be able to cut the blank?
It could be hard to find, and it propably is illeagal in USA to make such a key?
I wonder if its leagal here in EU..
I just saw an used machine sold for 3000 pounds. I wish I could make myself believe I need the machine, it would be so cool to have!

[fjardeson]

I solved this problem by buying another 831 that had all its keys, then taking both locks to a Medeco expert and had them keyed alike. Worked great!

[MacGyver101]

ThE_MasteR is selling a 831b, with no core or keys, with the box and some papers it appears. I was wondering if this is a good deal, or way overpriced.

Ah, sorry. Well, whether I paid too much for it or not, I bought it off him a few weeks ago: that lock isn't available any longer.

However... that does remind me: I'm in need of a 831B cylinder and keys, if anyone has one. (I should realty post to B/S/T, I guess...)