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Lock Greatness Chart: How the Professionals Rate Locks

Information about locks themselves. Questions, tips and lock diagram information should be posted here.

Lock Greatness Chart: How the Professionals Rate Locks

Postby dougfarre » 24 Jan 2008 19:02

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This is the Lock Greatness Chart. It should be how you judge your locks. You can customize your lock Greatness Chart However the F you want to do it. You customize your greatness chart based on the locks you have in your collection, or based on the locks you wish you had in your collection, and don't let anyone tell you that your chart isn't good because you put a Kwickset as number 5 and a Medeco as number 2. Some people hate Medecos. I think my Lock Greatness is a pretty good place to start off, also, I wrote this in respond to this post.

This chart has nothing to do with a locks "terms of ease.. Security..[or] Innovation." ( viewtopic.php?t=26375 ) Its based solely on whatever you want to base it on. Its not a standard, or a common consensus. It is what it is.

Lock Greatness Chart:
1) really bad
2) bad
3) not so great
4) great
5) single greatest lock ever.

I would probably put most locks in the great or not so great category. Like all master locks go in the really bad category because I am tired of talking about them.

Every small locker combo lock can go into the "not so great area", because even though we talk about them all the time, there is something mysterious about them. And mystery is what makes a lock not "bad". And if a lock is not "bad" then it can’t be "really bad, so then it then has to be "not so great".

Safe combo locks on the other hand, are one of the very few that could go into the "great" area. This is because manipulating a safe lock is something I have only done once, and it happened to be broken. But before I found out it was broken, after I manipulated it open I had the most amazing feeling. Anything capable of producing an amazing feeling such as this can not be in the "really bad" area because then it would be next to 4 pin master locks, and if I had my way, all 4 pin master lock questions would be immediately removed from the site, and the user who posted them be banned forever. Its not "bad" either because we haven't talked about any locks yet that falls in the "bad" category although we will probably talk about that next. So that means it should probably go into the "not so great" category. But there is no way safe combo locks are on the same level with locker combo locks, so we should probably put it in the "great" level because they are even more mysterious then locker combo locks.

What about wafer locks you may ask? Simply "bad". I mean, this design has been around for over 100 years now. What a boring design. I mean, it was cool for the first like 20 years, before drills were invented, but come on. Its like the 21rst century. I don't want to see another wafer lock unless its on a high security safe in the bank vault I'm robbing.

So now I guess we will move on to the other "great" locks. I guess it would be alright to put all the "High Security Locks" in this spot. I mean, they definitely are not "really bad", because if you make anything "really bad" you are comparing it to a master lock, and that is the ultimate, I mean ultimate low. There are some wafer locks considered to be high security, but I wouldn't consider any wafer lock high security, unless the wafers are made out of gold, and the only reason I don't continue to try and gain entry to my target is because I rather steal the lock, then finish the job. To continue, some high security locks could most definitely be in the "not so great" category because really, all that is required of the "not so great category" is a little bit of mystery. Like a Schlage Everest. That’s no "High Security Lock", I will tell you that! It has a little check pin. Hell, I would consider that to be "not so great" any day. In fact, it could probably be considered "bad" by some, but i wouldn't go that far. Just because it has a little check pin, Schlage thinks it can tell you it has something called "Key Control" BLAH! There is no such thing as key control! Just the other day I took someone’s keys out of their pocket and they never saw who did it, do you think they were in control of their keys?

Now, finally, there is the "single greatest lock ever". Guys, you can't go around calling all your locks the "single greatest lock ever. This is only something you can call a lock you are really excited about. Like a Kwickset Smartkey. Now, I don't care a single bit if you think the Smartkey sucks, because Cause you know what, it probably sucks a lot. But everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I am using the Smartkey as my example, so shut up.

The SmartKey is the "single greatest lock ever" period. Its new, it has like 1000 moving parts. You can stick cool tools in it, its wide open for lock pickers like me to jump in and come up with an exploit before anyone else can even think. It also comes with a big red cradle you can stick the plug into. Do you have cradles for your locks? Didn't think so. Now, this is a lock capable of the "single greatest lock ever" level.

Maybe 6 months from now there might be another "single greatest lock ever", until then my statement stands. So back the F off. This is my lock.

I mean, the chart is a personal chart. A lock that is "not so great" for you, may be the "the single greatest lock ever" for someone else. So don't dis the chart.
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Postby mitch.capper » 24 Jan 2008 19:18

This is the most informative and accurate scale I have ever seen.

You hear people complaining all the time about not having a scale, and finally we do!

This post should be instantly stickied so new members of the community can quickly access the quality of locks.

Although I must say that you forgot the protec, its SOOOO old technology at the core. I mean it was back in the 1900's come on. Give us a radical new lock abloy, not just an unpickable version of the old one.

I would have to say abloy must also go in the bad dog house as well.
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Postby dougfarre » 24 Jan 2008 19:24

Good Mitch, right on! I like your thinking. Protec is old and boring, we need radically new ones.
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Postby Beyond » 24 Jan 2008 20:04

So anything new is considered to be the greatest lock ever?
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Postby mitch.capper » 24 Jan 2008 20:30

no no, anything new and made of lots of parts is generally instantly pretty amazing. More Parts + More Complexity + Not Old Crap = OMG GREAT LOCK
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Postby JK_the_CJer » 25 Jan 2008 23:50

Kwikset is more gangster than Beyond could ever hope to be :-P
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Postby LockNewbie21 » 26 Jan 2008 0:56

Chex Mix is probobly a 5 easily

The MCS by Evva, Protec by Abloy. Both own all, if not, then post a vid opening them 8)
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Postby LockNewbie21 » 26 Jan 2008 0:58

P.s dude how many energy drinks do you slug before writing in here? :o :lol:
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Postby dougfarre » 26 Jan 2008 11:18

Haha, well energy drinks or not. I was drinking something. :)
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Postby Beyond » 26 Jan 2008 11:44

JK_the_CJer wrote:Kwikset is more gangster than Beyond could ever hope to be :-P


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell%2C_Georgia
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Postby LockNewbie21 » 26 Jan 2008 13:49

Haha, well energy drinks or not. I was drinking something.


Kick@$$ I noticed many a good post come from members half pisstanked :lol:

I will probobly opt The smart key for #5 under the sub category for residential stupidity fixer upper. I mean Normal non lock.. or any savy people would have to be pretty grey to change a key in that lock.

Also the solid gold wafer..Doug, that should be a numebr one! I mean think of it, it's probobly the only lock that a thief would steal it rather than what its guarding :wink: :lol:
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Postby mitch.capper » 26 Jan 2008 13:50

We were thinking that their should be a diamond insert plate to increase the value and prevent drilling.
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Postby dougfarre » 26 Jan 2008 14:09

Well actually, all my locks are chrome plated and when you turn the plug with the key, I have a special outer plug that has no other function except to continue to spin... I believe its called a PLUG SPINNER G. Not to be confused with the lame locksmith tool with the same name.
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Postby LockNewbie21 » 26 Jan 2008 16:55

We were thinking that their should be a diamond insert plate to increase the value and prevent drilling


I say send that idea to gucci or loius vitan.. or however you spell it.

Then Housewives trying to look young and spoiled little guys... hopefully not boys wil buy there purses knowing.. yea it's "Bling'in" 8)

Not to be confused with the lame locksmith tool


I agree, if you can't pick the lock both ways.. just die. No my real beef with the tool is I refuse to buy one since I can make it, but yet I always fail when I make it.. life sometimes is not without constant rediculousness :lol: .

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Postby mh » 27 Jan 2008 10:52

? What's all this nonsense about ? :?
"The techs discovered that German locks were particularly difficult" - Robert Wallace, H. Keith Melton w. Henry R. Schlesinger, Spycraft: The secret history of the CIA's spytechs from communism to Al-Qaeda (New York: Dutton, 2008), p. 210
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