New.. got tools got lock.. need tips

[lock_hacker]

My father was a lock smith and I got his pick set. He tought me a little bit about pin locks, I got a pin lock now and started useing the rake<sp>? tool looks like a S at the tip (common tool) and tension pick. on pin lock, good thing is lock I have to start iwth I can actully see the pics its just the lock and 3 skeleton/master keys for it i think. Lock is mastered. Advice i was told is to study the lock more not just try and pick it. What other advice would you have for me to pick this type of lock as quickly as possible with these tools. thanks!

[lock_hacker]

My father was a lock smith and I got his pick set. He tought me a little bit about pin locks, I got a pin lock now and started useing the rake<sp>? tool looks like a S at the tip (common tool) and tension pick. on pin lock, good thing is lock I have to start iwth I can actully see the pics its just the lock and 3 skeleton/master keys for it i think. Lock is mastered. Advice i was told is to study the lock more not just try and pick it. What other advice would you have for me to pick this type of lock as quickly as possible with these tools. thanks!

sorry misspell again not pics i meant pins

[helix]

The best way to get it open as quickly as possibe, is funnily enough:
Take your time.

[lock_hacker]

what do you think is the best tool for pin locks? rake, diamond or hook tip pick?


or what tip is best for which types of locks?

also say if i use a rake or hook and i keep my finger on the tension pick the whole time while rakeing or picking if i get the pin in the right spot in one place say its a 6 pin lock will it say there as long as i keep tension and try to get the rest of the pins in place also? how long does one of these locks regulary take to pic? thanks for your info helix

[helix]

I think that a hook is the most reliable picking tool
but they all have their own specific uses.

As for pick types and their uses:

viewtopic.php?t=6117

With the question about setting pins, they may set, but if they aren't set in the right order, they will fall.

You want to find the pin that is the most binding and set that first, then the next binding.....

[lock_hacker]

I think that a hook is the most reliable picking tool
but they all have their own specific uses.

As for pick types and their uses:

viewtopic.php?t=6117

With the question about setting pins, they may set, but if they aren't set in the right order, they will fall.

You want to find the pin that is the most binding and set that first, then the next binding.....

so its like hitting the lotto with a pick kinda

you got to get all the pins in the right position with one rake, pick or ect..
while hitting the tension pick. are all pin lock mostly front or back high/low pinned?

and your saying one pin of the 6 will make theb iggest difference on the pick? thanks for all the info so far its much aprriciated. thanks

[helix]

so its like hitting the lotto with a pick kinda

You can't control the lotto.
You can cotrol the pins, but.

I don't relly know a lot about raking, because I rarely do it, which is the reason that I said that
I personally like to use a hook.

Basically, you feel the six pins with your hook.
You are feeling to see which one binds with tension.
If two are binding, there is too much tension.

When you set the first pin, find the next one that is binding.

I'm not sure what else to tell you.

[Mad Mick]

As Helix said, you need to take your time. Generally, the two most used picks will be the hook and the half-diamond. Leave the raking alone for now.

The lock you have is master-keyed (as stated), so it will pick a little easier than a standard lock, due to multiple shear lines.

Tension is the downfall of many new pickers. Generally, you shouldn't really need any more tension than that which is required to turn the key. Insert the key, then put the tension wrench through the hole in the key bow. Turn the cylinder with the tension wrench and note how much effort is required.

1) Remove the key, insert the tension wrench into the plug, then apply approximately the same effort to the tension wrench. Now comes the time to actually examine the pins (Don't try picking yet).

2) Insert the pick (hook or half-diamond) to the back of the plug and slowly withdraw it, testing the resistance offered by each lower pin. Some will feel 'springy', whilst others feel firm. Your task is to find the pin which feels the firmest...this is the most-bound pin.

3) Test the other pins again, noting how they feel. They may be:
a) Unbound - very springy,
b) Partially-bound - you feel the effect of the spring pushing back, but the pin seems to 'grate' a little, or
c) Bound - you feel no effect from the spring, and the pin stays in the position you have moved it to with the pick.
d) Set - The lower pin is 'loose' in the stack, unaffected by spring pressure. The upper pin is raised to the shear line, and the lower edge of the pin is resting upon the 'ledge' created by the mis-aligned holes of the plug/housing. (You won't normally feel this on the first pass...but assuming that the picking order is correct, subsequent passes will find more pins to be correctly set.)

4) 'Set' the most-bound pin, by using the pick to push it up (or down if picking a lock mounted Euro-style) and feeling for a miniscule rotation on the tension wrench. This 'setting' process actually serves two purposes...it aligns the gap between the upper and lower pin at the 'shear-line' - allowing the plug to rotate slightly, and then binds the next upper pin across the shear line.

5) Go back to step 3 and test the pins again. Recognise the states and identify the next most-bound pin. Set that pin (step 4), then go back to step 3 and repeat for the remaining pins...

HTH,
Mick.

[helix]

Thanks, Mick, haha

[lock_hacker]

Mick you are the man!

Good looking out.

Thanks both of you for the info I will be picking at locks all night.



thanks

[Mad Mick]

The info is all on this site.

Practice what you have read. Apply it. Digest it. Recycle!!

[lock_hacker]

The info is all on this site.

Practice what you have read. Apply it. Digest it. Recycle!!

I defintly will recycle I love to post all day and night on msg boards. lol

one last question plz.. i will defintly be a regular poster here nice forums.


how do you know what size hook or diamond pick to use? do you have the know all the locks first?, i have a huge picking set with all kinds of shapes and stuff. So i just been sticking with the basics till i learn more or do my first pick atleast. and How do you rate pick guns? I was told they suck. thanks for yalls help, I will defintly be awnsering these questions when asked by new people thanks