A certain National Emergency companies NDE Opening

by **Shrub** » 4 Oct 2005 7:50

Is this a mock up? thats unbeleivable, he obviously forgot his picks and needed to use his finger to open the lock, the other marks must be from the rings on his knuckles as he surley must drag them on the ground most of the time,

I know we joke about 20mm holes in things but that has shocked me.

Im sure most on here have kids that know how to use the tools to get through a 3 lever lock like that.

Ive got it, he thought he was fitting a yale lock until he realised there was already a lock in there :shock:

by **pinky** » 4 Oct 2005 8:27

I sincerely wish it was a mock up , but sadly this was snapped on the door by a good lockie in west midlands following work done my nationals. and ive got people now from all over sending pics to me of rogue jobs and prices.

We are putting files together on all rogue lockies and nationals, photo evidence , copies of job sheets, statements from customers etc, and sending complete files to trading standards and to rogue traders and watchdog, 2 nationals so far have the biggest files, also being considered is these files on rogue traders and rogue trainers being sent in too , one guy is keen on sending the lot to the national tabloids to play with.

its ok talking about how its going down hill, but we are trying at least to do something about it. ive tried to offer low cost training solutions at cost almost to the nationals to up their standards, but with the rates they pay there guys wont follow an nde route.

What with newly trained key edge franchisees and newly trained guys offering courses now, it can only get worse, it seems the ethics, honesty and skills have gone from the uk industry almost entirely.

by **Shrub** » 4 Oct 2005 11:57

I find that everytime there is somthing on tv about rouge lockies my customers ask more questions of me or at least seem to know a little more about things to actually realise a good job,

Sending all this stuff to the tv companies what ever their program will have an effect, it would be better if they had the same coverage as say airline programs but i dont see that happening soon,

There is nothing stopping a group of like minded people making a documentry and seeing if any of the stations will buy it, i would even give it to them if my work but i know there will be costs involved,
A lot of these fly on the wall docmentrys start off with one episode and then flourish from there,

When ever i now see anything positve on lockies on tv i am going to write and say what a good program it was, if we all did a simular thing the tv companies may listen and comission more programs, it may be worth a shot.

Other than a Legge that had no spacers in ive not come across any shoddy work, ive heard plenty of shoddy prices but all in the past, i suppose thats cause im mostly on my own round here with no competion

I do hear a lot of the nationals (RF one of the main ones i must admit) have said they wont come out this far from Manchester even though they advertise in my local phone book, greedy gits.

by **pinky** » 5 Oct 2005 16:38

well guys , another job sheet for another emergency company of to rogue traders, again from the sunny west midlands area, i think you could say it was drilled, but guy still couldnt get it open, so it was lest for a real locksmith to sort out from birmingham.

by **EvoRed** » 5 Oct 2005 16:59

Simply unbelievable. These 'locksmiths' have about as much skill and knowledge of the trade as I've got to go out trading as a plumber in the morning.

by **Mad Mick** » 5 Oct 2005 17:14

*Shakes head*

I think I'm qualified to do brain surgery. I have some tools and am not scared of blood. Any takers??

by **toomush2drink** » 5 Oct 2005 17:27

Im astounded by these pictures at the people have the front to do this. I always thought the hole cutter jokes were just banter until i saw that photo. And who on earth couldnt pick that union with a gun ?

by **pinky** » 5 Oct 2005 17:37

it looks like he mistook a pick gun for a .45 magnum

by **Varjeal** » 5 Oct 2005 17:40

Wow....and I'll even say it backwards for effect...woW.....I'd ask why that lock was left like that...but after botching the drilling...if that's what it was...then I think I understand why...

Btw, I'm sure the rest of you noticed it as well, but doesn't it look like the dude chipped the door with his drill bit under the cylinder??? What the heck was he doing drilling at THAT angle????????

Also, that's quite the cylinder blocker on that thing...obviously homemade, and not well done.

I guess with that large of a hole it makes it easier to manipulate picks for left handed people....

Top left of the cylinder right about the "U" looks like he first tried a more "subtle" approach.

Wow....... :roll:

by **CJM** » 5 Oct 2005 17:44

People we all need to be taking pictures, copies of job sheets and storys like these. If you get enough in your local areas about the same firms they will make great space filling reports for your local papers and web sites. Add to that, that a lot of the local papers are owned buy the same group and you have a national problem they will pick up on. If you say to a customer who has been ripped off "may I have your contact details for future use should we find a way to expose this company" most will say yes.
How about we each carry a copy of a petition having people like this sign it, asking for regulation of our industry with real security checks (as one locksmith has just been sent down, see MLA site, now could be a good time). Present this to our respective local MPs and so on. I think the MLA and others would come on board with us.

If these thoughts have been aired before sorry, just putting them out there with some more to come.

by **pinky** » 5 Oct 2005 17:59

they have been aired before, but little was done, now is a perfect time to renew efforts and make people listen, expose this frauds for exactly what they are, a ban on non accredited and vetted training, a ban on training anybody at all, a ban on all rogue traders big or small, how far would you like this to go, and how much are you willing to do to make this work.

by **CJM** » 5 Oct 2005 18:11

Martin I understand how hard you already work towards such goals and how frustrating it must be for you see a lot said but little done. But keep posting, sad as these jobs are to see they spark a good response on here.

pm on the way

by **pinky** » 5 Oct 2005 18:19

the drill was the first evident tool to be used here, 2nd was the trusty angle grinder, and still failed to get in, he made a lock that is a 2 minute opening look far superior than it actualy is. it was this so called locksmith that cut the wood around the lock too, he used everything short of semtex and still failed to get in.

The nationals engineer who attended this one still charged Â£55 for attending the job , even though he failed to get the door open, the locksmith who sorted the job being a real locksmith managed to convince the customer to cancel the cheque.

This is the effect of shoddy training, greedy nationals and the general unregulated state of the uk locksmith industry where idiots believe they can be qualified tradesmen in a few days and along with nationals are happy to rip off the public who can do nothing about it at present.

by **Shrub** » 6 Oct 2005 5:05

Martin, do you know what the 'engineer' said to the customer when he left, please dont say he used the line 'well this is a high security lock, it had to be drilled but its so good i cant get in'
Also is it the same person thats done the other jobs youve mentioned in that area as im sure there is more than enough evidence to get him removed from either where he is employed or from trading in the area,

Im going to print that pic out and laminate it to show customers of what the cowboys do and what i dont do.

The guy must have no ethics and no brain to even do that sort of job, i just wouldnt have the audascity to even start drilling like that, i thought the driller killers would at least know how to drill a lock anyway, he obviously forgot his 20mm bit on that day so had to leave it :evil:

by **sandwell247** » 7 Oct 2005 12:00

a small thought to you all who work as a subbie for nationals.

The customer who gets overcharged by these companies only ever see your company name on your t shirts or vehicles and if they require services again may be wary of you also, so my advice is dont sub to these people, if you are going to sub only use reputable companies with a proven track record.

One glazing national who once asked us to go round and price a job and whatever your charge is double it, its not bad mark up for a 10p phone call no material layout no labour needless to say we wasnt interested.

i think the beeb should also do a programme about true tradesmen also called honest traders.

A certain National Emergency companies NDE Opening

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