New Mul-T-Lock info

[raimundo]

Very interesting, I wish he had shown a picture of the comb, music wire eh? and since each piece of music wire probably has its own shaft to the outside, the solution arranging the pins in staggered line rather than straight wouldn't suffice.

[EricM]

I don't understand what you mean staggered.

Actually the simplest tool for this to work is the souber matador Mul-T-Lock pick set with 5 tips instead of 1 and all are equal in size to lift the inner pin the correct height.

But the one you may be thinking of would be the more complex one I've been building and it's pretty much a horizontal sputnik instead of it's normal key shape.

What you would do is get a Mul-T-Lock key cut anyway then cut of half. from middle out, on either side, just pick one, then flatten the key to the lowest key bitting that came on the key, you can figure it out by taking apart the cyldiner and find out which one is the 5 or E pin and the measure that to the key, flatten everything to that level, then mill a channel underneath for the wires, then mill a very small whole I'd say no more than 1 mm and feed the wire through it's got to make the curve so it has to be a very small diameter wire so it can bend and not kink, and then put them all in and use it like the sputnik, raise all the pins equally at the same time, then follow the instructions from Matt's page.

Now that is the really difficult one, but it works in all the Mul-T-Lock systems, nix the 7x7 and the inelliQt for obvious reasons, actually it works on it but I haven't figured out how to bypass the electronic aspect, but then again I'm not going to buy a 500 dollar lock and keys that cost at least 50 a piece. To take apart the brain in the unit.


Ya know heck maybe it'll be like the Wink Haus and you can use a magnet, heh or maybe not.

[EricM]

Oh and I forgot to add you don't have to have the arrangement like the sputnik plugs, actually you can just cut all the wires as it leaves the tool, and make a blunt button or plug on it, and just push it, it's really very simple in action, but it has to be made really precise, I mean if I showed you my prototypes you woulda pi^%ed yourself you would laughed so hard. Solder everywhere it broke everytime I even breathed on the thing.

That also leads to me not being a machinist or fabricator.

[mouseling]

is its simplicity. Once you read the explanation it seems so obvious. I was hitting my forehead thinking - "why didn't i think of that?"

Kudos to Eric and to Matt for the exploit and the counter measure. Now, if we could only get a major company to fix the problems their singular (instead of widespread) focus caused.

-mouse

[devildog]

Matt Blaze says that Eric 'published' this attack, e.g. he wrote a paper I take it, like a whitepaper I guess. I've been trying to find it in hopes that it would offer a bit more detailed explanation than Blaze's site with some pictures or diagrams or something. Anyone know where there's some additional information about this? Is there a tool in production for it yet, or at least a template for one so you can make your own?

[Mad Mick]

Dev: I think the 'published' Michaud attack is the same one on Matt Blaze's site, since Eric was one of Matt's students. Could be wrong, but I don't think you're likely to find a tutorial with pick designs etc.

Regards.

[devildog]

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[Mad Mick]

I think raimundo has some ideas with this lock....tap him up.