ABUS

by **Nose_Picker** » 27 Jan 2004 3:21

Im just wondering if anyone here can give me some tips on picking an ABUS lock.

I just got it tonight, and Ive tried to pick it.

I cant seem to get any of the pins to stay in place. I cant get enough tension on it. theres nowhere to place my bar properly.

The bar seems too narrow for this lock (And to wide for my others, lol)

If anyone knows anymore about ABUS locks (security features etc) please let me know.

There are numbers on the lock:

N 83/45 on the side, above where it says patented, and 300 on the bottom by the keyway. Ill work on pictures soon.

Thanks guys!

by **Chucklz** » 27 Jan 2004 9:50

There should be spool pins placed randomly. Try putting your tension tool at the top of the keyway, where the pins are (bottom in some Abus locks..... sigh) Getting good turning tool/torque tool/tension tool/thingie placement is a bit of a pain on Abus locks. For the spool pins, you probably would like a stiff tool. I have never experienced any of my tension tools being to narrow for Abus locks, only too wide. How do you usually use a tension tool?

by **Nose_Picker** » 27 Jan 2004 13:23

I prefer to place my tool near the wards.

I like it there so that way I can have better access at the pins, and should I need to look inside the keyway, I can.

when my tension tool is inside they keyway, and I put pressure on it, it 'swivels' around a ward, and then points to 11:00 (I hold it pins down, wards up) and then I can not get any tension on it.

I thought a wider bar would get caught before it could slip around the ward, and then give proper tension.

I have never successfully picked a lock with my tension tool on top... The part that I place in the lock is a bit too long, and when I apply tension, it usually falls out.

I could cut part off, I suppose, or bend the other end to a more suitable length... Ill figure something out, and let you know.

by **Chucklz** » 27 Jan 2004 16:15

Try gripping the tool between your thumn and forefinger, and placing it at the top.

by **Dosk3n** » 27 Jan 2004 16:56

heres a link of what i think is the lock you bought

http://www.lockpeople.com/8345.htm

and what ive seen so far the lock has a Double ball bearing locked shackle for high tensile and torsion strength (as 1 site i read description says). so basicly it cant be shimmed open with padlock shims.

the 83 series can take a 5 6 or 7 pin cylinder

which like the famous abus locks will have serated pins randomly through the pins not sure what number pins are usualy serated, any 1 know that one?

well that was my contribution.

Dosk3n.

by **Chucklz** » 27 Jan 2004 16:59

The word random implies no usual preference.

by **Nose_Picker** » 27 Jan 2004 17:45

Thats the lock exactly.

It is a beast to pick. If im just casually picking it on the couch, after a while, my arm gets so tired from holding the darn thing (its quite heavy for a lock) that I just give up.

I will pick it someday though. and when I do, I will take a picture of it opened for you all.

by **Dosk3n** » 27 Jan 2004 18:19

what i ment by random was the serated pins could be in any position, but what i find in some moddels of locks is that the serated pins will be in the same place, ie pin 2 and 3 in each lock of the same model, hope that clarifies what i ment, sorry for the confusion.

by **Chucklz** » 27 Jan 2004 18:58

Ive had the oportunity to see the rekeying of about 60 Abus 83 locks. All were zero bitted 6 pin, and needed to be 5 pin, so the last pin stack was dropped. Probably all of 17 spool pins. Seemed to be pseudo random. Several locks from the same row in the box had them, so they make make them in groups and rely on the randomness of purchasing to randomize things.

by **Nose_Picker** » 28 Jan 2004 11:02

Thats not cool...

Im still picking basic masters, I think ill let this one sit for a bit, no use getting frustruated over it.

Ill wait till I get a decent hook.

Thanks guys.

by **Greg** » 28 Jan 2004 11:13

My father has one of these on his gate, and I've been working myself up to trying it.
I just defeated a pretty nasty yale lock, so will attempt it and let you guys know...

Chances are I'll be as frustrated with it as you .. heh

by **Nose_Picker** » 28 Jan 2004 11:25

Well, since you own one, and are more advanced than me, you may be able to answer this:

Are they heavier than most common padlocks?

by **Chucklz** » 28 Jan 2004 12:12

Depends on the Abus model. The rekeyable " house key" design, is very heavy, lots of brass. But then again, my Master No. 6 is very heavy with alot of brass. Depends on what your personal "average" is.

by **Nose_Picker** » 28 Jan 2004 15:20

I was just wondering.

When I picked it up, I thought, wow, this is a big lock.

Its the heaviest lock Ive held.

Im used to the fairly light weight masters/American locks, so this one was surprising.

by **Greg** » 29 Jan 2004 9:25

Oh, I'm still very much a newbie (relative to the rest of these guys)
Got good on that lock though!
Dunno if thats talent or luck with that particular one....

Can open it in under a minute now
Took me about an hour to get to that point

As for the weight, its pretty heavy. Biggest one I've attempted anyway.
There are bigger though.

Must admit it was painful on the hands after a while

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