Impression Championship in Germany

[evva3ks]

A video about the impressioning championship in Germany.
The lock that had to be opened was a standard ABUS 5 pintumbler lock.
1st place took Oliver Diederichsen in 6min 53 seconds.
!!!! Worth a watch !!!!

http://tresoroeffnung.de/downloads/impr ... ft2005.wmv

[helix]

Yeah, shows the up and down, left and right motion that everyone talks
of when referring to impressioning.

Was a pity he wasn't wearing a helmet-cam LOL.

Nice find anyway dude. And well done to that guy.

[illusion]

OK... I am impressed

[oldlock]

Well done to Oli for that, I a few observations.

1 - I think he was filing to known heights of cut, as it looks like more than a single stroke of the file on each cut as after each filing session he uses something which he checks the key with, either checking the spacing or the angle of cut or the depths. Anyway it will speed up considerably if you can do so.

2 - note the use of a proper handle, rather than a pair of locking pliers. it must be much easier on the hands.

3 - Persoanlly I prefer the pull method as the marks are clearer, but care must be taken not to loose correct spacing on your key.

I should add that I have only recently become interested in Impressioning but find it great fun.

Paul

[lem]

Hi guys, I'm an italian locksmith. Someone uses impressioning with stain key blanks (only the part of the keys wich has to be cutted is in stain): it marks a lot.

[zeke79]

lem,

Could you describe this in more detail please?

[n2oah]

Those are some pretty awesome impressioning skills. You should ask a mod to move this topic, as some people avoid the the european forum.

[Mad Mick]

lem,

Could you describe this in more detail please?

I think he's referring to using a Sharpie??

[Chrispy]

I would've like a better angle. Helmet cam isn't such a bad idea.

[Gordon Airporte]

It reminds me of a video from the European Open competiton (I think it was.) You can't really see anything but some guys sitting there doing...something, with ambient chatter in German or Dutch.
Poker became a spectator sport with the introduction of pocket-cams, maybe we can do something similar for lock sports. 'Shearline-cams' anyone? I'm calling ESPN

[Varjeal]

I found the video very interesting.

I would agree that some type of key or tool was used to file to known depths. He spent wayyyyy more time with the key out of the lock than in, and the amount of checking with the "object" made it seem as if he had either a tool or a key precut to various depths to check against.

Regardless, that's a pretty fast and impressive time.

Notice the use of a good magnifying and light source, and of course as was already mentioned, a gripping handle. Lockmasters and I believe HPC offer such things, but for those of us who are lazy the vise grips do an adequate job.

Definitely pay attention to the technique used when he has the key in the lock as far as manipulation 'cause that's text book. You can tell the force being used by the way the table jumps...you can't get away with that with wafer locks though.

I would also say I'm not surprised by those who use more than 1 file stroke. People who impression the same type of locks and know the bitting, spacing, and MACS well enough aren't just going to take just a single swipe at the key unless that's all that's necessary to get it working.

However, when working with unknown, the single stroke, then retest method is the preferred method. However, that video was testing for speed, not finesse.

Congrats to the winner.

[evva3ks]

As it was a championship, the lock was known.
I used a measuring tool similar like this one on the top right side,
to check the right depths

http://217.91.101.183/kroeplin-extern/i ... g=de-sales

I us a an impressioning handle.
As I know the type of lock I know how many filestrokes I need for one depth(almost...)
For me one of the most important things on impressioning besides the right technique is to develop a routine.
I always impresion on pin tumpler locks in the same way.
Same impressioning movements on both sides, same amount of movements on both sides, same filing movements etc.

So as it was about speed, I optimised everything, to be as fast as possible.
The second in the competition opened in around twenty minutes.
I normally need 15 - to 20 minutes on an unknown lock, but it can take much much longer too, especially, when the lock is greasy and dirty.
As written in any book on impressioning, the most important thing is - only file where you see marks - if you are not sure leave it alone - because if it is a right mark, it will come anyway.

[Tattoo Guy]

Just a quick note for you guys safe ventures do an impressioning handle which is very comfortable to use and looks the part as well but at around £53 is a little expensive.

[evva3ks]

The one I use is from Framon
www.framon.com in the tool section.
I like it a lot, because you don´t need an allen wrench.

[evva3ks]

http://www.framon.com/tools.html