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by **nails** » 4 Nov 2005 10:29

hi im nails...

and i would like to ask what to do to open a lock

i have gotten all five pins down ( my lock is upside down )
and i would like to know what to do at this moment i just cant get the lock open even if all the pins are down

and im thinking about some of the pins might have been set false but i am very much a newbie to lock picking and i dont know if they are set false or my tension is to low or high and all such stuff so i would like to ask u guys, if anyone knows the answer plaese wright back

by **TOWCH** » 4 Nov 2005 10:46

Try backing off the pressure a bit until you hear one or two clicks. It sounds like you've overset some if not all of the pins. The goal isn't to get them to stay all the way down or all the way up, the goal is to find the proper height.

by **nails** » 4 Nov 2005 10:52

ill be trying that for a while

by **Pickermeapie** » 4 Nov 2005 13:37

Have you read MIT Guide? It is a little more that just pushing all the pins down and expecting the lock to turn. What type of lock is it? False sets only occur if it has security pins in it. SEARCH this site! Thousands upon thousands of posts telling you how to pick and get started. Start on a cheap lock with a few pins taken out.
-Pickermeapie

by **illusion** » 4 Nov 2005 13:52

try to push the pins down slowly, and eventualy you'll start to feel which pins are set. It will become a sort of sixth sense after time.

what is likely is you are using WAY too much force on your tension wrench, and because of this your pins are false setting regardless of being security or not... with too much tension the bottom pin is gonna get stuck at the top of the cylinder with the top pin, a simple solution is to reduce how much tension you use. I made this mistake loads when I began, and it really annoyed me, untill one day I just tried reducing the tension, and I soon after suceeded.

Chrispy- a member of this site suggested putting the correct key into the lock, putting your tension wrench through the hole in the handle, and turning the key using the tension wrench. The tension you need to turn the key is the tension you need to pick the lock.
*if I got the author of this tip wrong correct me, I read it a while ago*

yeah and read the MIT guide if you haven't already... GOOD LUCK!

by **Mr.Smith** » 4 Nov 2005 17:03

First u have to find the first pin that will set, sometimes it doesnt go in a striaght order. Once u find that listen to what sounds it makes, and losten for that sound with the otehrs, it should be a soft "click". And as everyone else said put very light tension, only enough to hold the tension wrench in place, and if you are stillnot getting it add more tension in very small incriments until it opens.

by **nails** » 4 Nov 2005 17:50

now this should realy help much and thx for the tips of the MIT guide and yes i have read it 1-2 times and i can try reading it again for sure to know how much pressure it takes but i dont think myself i put much tension on the lock (the lock is set upside down so that the pins will fall down to the shear line automaticly when the pin is set tight ( i may sound like i know much about it but i dont, i have read this in the MIT guide) :wink:

by **Chrispy** » 4 Nov 2005 21:06

illusion wrote:Chrispy- a member of this site suggested putting the correct key into the lock, putting your tension wrench through the hole in the handle, and turning the key using the tension wrench. The tension you need to turn the key is the tension you need to pick the lock.
*if I got the author of this tip wrong correct me, I read it a while ago*

Nope. I think it was skold or Mad Mick.

by **digital_blue** » 5 Nov 2005 0:16

illusion wrote:Chrispy- a member of this site suggested putting the correct key into the lock, putting your tension wrench through the hole in the handle, and turning the key using the tension wrench. The tension you need to turn the key is the tension you need to pick the lock.
*if I got the author of this tip wrong correct me, I read it a while ago*

You know, though the principle is probably a good one to teach a newbie (use very light tension), I can't say I agree with this at all. I mean, when you're turning the key, all you're trying to do is overcome the very minimal amount of friction between the plug and the shell. But when you're picking a lock, you are trying to apply enough force (albeit very little still) to successfully cause a pin to bind. I don't think the two are really related at all.

If newbies would take the advice of starting with a deadbolt or KIK cylinder with only two pins, and *actively* feel for the binding pin, it would not take them very long to figure out how much is just enough tension and how much is too much.

That's my two cents for today.

db

by **Chrispy** » 5 Nov 2005 0:27

That's at least ten cents worth, db. I'll start their tabs. :wink:

by **digital_blue** » 5 Nov 2005 0:30

Muhuhuhuhuhahahahaahahawhawhawhawha.... I'm gonna get my admin paycheck after all!

db

by **mike-z** » 5 Nov 2005 12:35

Muhuhuhuhuhahahahaahahawhawhawhawha.... I'm gonna get my admin paycheck after all!

really?joke?
on an unrelated note my dog is making odd noices any help.

by **illusion** » 5 Nov 2005 12:52

mike-z wrote:
Muhuhuhuhuhahahahaahahawhawhawhawha.... I'm gonna get my admin paycheck after all!

really?joke?
on an unrelated note my dog is making odd noices any help.

yeah... why do you think people want to become admins and moderators?... you get loaded with cash for merely having this status.

Call a vet for your dog.... :wink:

by **nails** » 5 Nov 2005 13:19

maybe the dog swallowed a pick

by **Mad Mick** » 5 Nov 2005 14:34

nails wrote:maybe the dog swallowed a pick

...or db's joke. :wink:

'Twas I that re-posted the tension tip, but I still can't find who posted it originally.

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