tubular pick gun

[raimundo]

Think about bump keys just now, it came to me that this hasnt been tried on tubular locks, even though the design of the lock is just beggin for it, and tubular keys as well as various .38 cal, 9mm shells can easily be adapted for it. On the papers on bump keys the latest thinking is to put rubber bumpers on the shoulder of the key to spring the key back after the strike, it seems to me that the rubber bumper for an Ace type bump key could easily be installed inside the tube and measured to set the strike depth, and if relatively hard rubber, could also be used to tightly secure a notch pickup for the turning core. The whole thing could be made into a pick gun by mounting it on a rod with a coil spring around it and some cocking mechanism, how hard could that be, Come Pryo, you snapper genius, work on this idea. Do we need a new way to open tubulars, uh well, its really about the whole snapper idea. and its been there right in our faces all along and I have never seen anyone make the connection. But thats how it goes isnt it.

[raimundo]

And this idea would seem to lend itself to easily designing a tensor that would automatically apply at the exact moment. I was thinking of a light tenson that is constantly on, and interrupted momentarily at the moment of the strike. perhaps just a little quicker to recover than the pins and springs.

[Jimmie]

Ray !! ... in he last Tobias paper on bump keys he spoke about it

he said you have to cut out all the cuts to the deepest position then enlarge the key cuts so ... when the tension is applied on ... the pins cannot be stuck along the key cuts

but the real problem is ... I think ... the tubular cylinder will have to be "bumped" many times before the complete opening will occur ... cause as for tubular lock manual picking the lock will turn out just a few degrees ...

anyway ... in the past I've designed a tubular pick gun with a strong spring ... cooked by hand ( by just a forward motion) ... the idea seemed good ... but the results were not so ... great !!

tschus

Jimmie

[MrB]

If you snapped a tubular, wouldn't the lock fail to stay picked and automatically engage again after you turned it an eighth? I imagine that might make a snapper impractical for other than it's curiousity value. But maybe we could turn it a sixteenth and then impression it with some other tool.

[raimundo]

you guys are right, I had just got that idea and posted it before I thought about the relocking.

[Pickermeapie]

Hate to ressurect a old post but thought about this. If you removed the locking notch at the top of the tubular key, after bumping, couldn't you turn it a sixteenth, remove the key, and impression the picked pins with a tubular pick? I don't know if this is possible, but it might make things a little easier than pin by pin picking on such locks as the ACE II and ACE FLEX.
-Pickermeapie

[TOWCH]

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Now that you bring it back up though, it's much more within my means to try an make such a thing now. I've been thinking about making a tubular pick and this seems easier to do. You're idea of using a rubber bumper makes this much simpler though. I think a tubular key cut to all 8 or 8-1/2 cuts, with a rubber bumper in the center might work. I'll check with the local locksmith if they can cut tubular keys to code.

[Wild Weasel]

The question that no one seems to be asking is: "Why should anyone bother to bump a tubular lock?"

With the exception of something like an ACE II PIP, a plain ol' tubular pick properly used, will easily open the corresponding tubular lock in five seconds or less.

I don't see how creating a tubular bump key is going to speed the process up enough to make it worth the effort.

[Pickermeapie]

Have you ever picked a Ace II or Flex? Regular tubular "picks" will definately not open them in five secons or less. You would need a Peterson to pick it efficently. Vairing spring pressures in the Ace II ensure this. If you don't believe me, try it yourself.

TOWCH:
I will have to try it too, got a Hearty-Gerty Key cutter, but I haven't any locks at the time. I was thinking to fill up the core of the key for "recoil" you could use Hot Glue.

-pickermeapie

[TOWCH]

Getting the right amount of hot glue is going to be a pain. So the plan as of now is cut a key to all almost 9 cuts, poor some hot glue in it, and then use it like a normal bumpkey? Sounds like it could work to me. I wonder if Barry has done anything like this?

[Pickermeapie]

yep, but don't forget, you have to shave off the top retaining chip on the top of the key.

[Nasydave]

[quote="Pickermeapie"]:shock: Have you ever picked a Ace II or Flex? Regular tubular "picks" will definately not open them in five secons or less. You would need a Peterson to pick it efficently. Vairing spring pressures in the Ace II ensure this. If you don't believe me, try it yourself.


I may be losing my touch, but I'm even having problems using the peterson on the ACE II. Ever since I decided to really study them and bought one, I did fine. Now I have a hard time with my practice ace!