Odd lock on door... EDIT, *OPENED*

[Eab]

About a month ago I got a decent set of picks and have been playing around with this bucket of padlocks I had in my basement. Lately I have been trying doors like the one of my house, office door at work, garage, and camper. All of them I got in a minute or so with a double rake. My next door neighbor/co-worker friend knows about this and one day he called me over to take a look at his old metal toolshed built in the 60s, he doesnt use it anymore and lost the key (or so he tells me).
There is a normal pin-and-tumbler lock above the door knob as opposed to on the knob itself. I think its simular to office doors where if you turn the key one way it unlocks the door and if you go the other way it locks the door but if you keep going it opens the door while leaving the door knob itself still locked... You know what I mean?
Anyway the lock is on the right side of the door. if I rake it and turn it clockwise it does a quater turn and then just stops. No amount of pressure will make it go further and nothing got unlocked in the process. I try going counter clockwise and after several minites I relase pressure and hear only 1 pin fall back in to place. I tried dozens of times with all sorts of kinds of pressure I put on with the tension wrench.

Now its bothering me why i can't get it. Is it just stuck when I go clockwise? Or am I just not doing a good enouph job when I try to pick it going counter clockwise?

[Mad Mick]

Is it just stuck when I go clockwise? Or am I just not doing a good enough job when I try to pick it going counter clockwise?

Sounds like a deadbolt. You are picking it in the already locked direction and are unable to extend the bolt any further...hence the hard stop. You should be able to pick it CCW, but if you have a plug spinner, pick it CW then spin it CCW.
HTH.

Edited at 17:10. Edited 1 time in total.

[Eab]

Is it just stuck when I go clockwise? Or am I just not doing a good enough job when I try to pick it going counter clockwise?

Sounds like a deadbolt. You are picking it in the already locked direction and are unable to extend the bolt any further...hence the hard stop. You should be able to pick it CCW, but if you have a plug spinner, pick it CW then spin it CCW.
HTH.

Edited at 17:10. Edited 1 time in total.

Oh forgot to mention something. The doorknob doesnt turn, it is locked and there is only one keyhole so I doubt there is a deadbolt since that one keyhole needs to unlock the doorknob.

[grit1]

Is it just stuck when I go clockwise? Or am I just not doing a good enough job when I try to pick it going counter clockwise?

Sounds like a deadbolt. You are picking it in the already locked direction and are unable to extend the bolt any further...hence the hard stop. You should be able to pick it CCW, but if you have a plug spinner, pick it CW then spin it CCW.
HTH.

Edited at 17:10. Edited 1 time in total.

Oh forgot to mention something. The doorknob doesnt turn, it is locked and there is only one keyhole so I doubt there is a deadbolt since that one keyhole needs to unlock the doorknob.

There are a lot of different "functions" for mortise door locks like you're suggesting that you have. The one on my dorm room door, for instance, is a Best Mortise lockset with one "keyhole" and a knob. From the outside of the door, with the lockset in the unlocked position, a counter-clockwise turn of the key will throw the dead bolt, simultaneously dead-locking the latch bolt and locking the exterior knob. The interior knob will automatically pull the latch and dead bolts. On the inside there is a thumb-turn to lock/unlock the lockset [throw bolt and lock exterior knob.] If you were to turn the key clockwise when the lockset is unlocked, the key pulls the latch bolt. This is a pretty typical "entry" type of lockset function.

Down the hall, in a study lounge, there is yet another "function" on a best lockset. There is a toggle on the door-plate that locks/unlocks the exterior handle. When unlocked, the handle will pull the dead-latching latch bolt. When locked, the key when turned clockwise will pull the latch-bolt, if the dead bolt is not engaged. This lockset has a few different "states" as you can imaine, which I will dispense with elaborating upon.

Does this door you're working on open out, or in? If it opens out, you should be able to see what bolts you're working with. ~Grit.

[Eab]

You need to push it open, so outwards i think...

[Mad Mick]

At this stage, I think the best thing to do, would be provide a pic so that someone can make a definitive ID and offer an accurate solution.

[Eab]

Gah! Got it!
*fist pump in the air*

For some reason a double bump rake pick would only fix one pin no matter what, but when I used a single bump rake I got it in seconds! Wonder why... oh well.
Thanks for the effort guys.

[digital_blue]

Now why would I go and delete this? It's a victory. You could be inspiring hundreds of newbies with this thread. That, or it'll just slip into obscurity. Or some other mod will delete it. Or somebody will say something dumb and get it locked... geez, I guess the possibilities are endless. But I'm still not deleting it.

db

[Mad Mick]

Well done. Now you've learned something valuable though...if the current pick isn't working, either adjust your technique/tension, or try another pick.

P.S. A pic would still be nice.

[vector40]

I thought if the current pick isn't working, you pull out the drill

[Eab]

Well done. Now you've learned something valuable though...if the current pick isn't working, either adjust your technique/tension, or try another pick.

P.S. A pic would still be nice.

Good idea, I good use one for refernece.
*gets his camera*

[Eab]

For reference, here is the door in question. I ended up havign to turn it counter clockwise ^^

[Chrispy]

Nice photo.







J/k

[grit1]

looks like a corbin cylinder...

[Eab]

Nice eye. Its Corbin Russwin.