A tricky lock

by **MB38** » 18 May 2004 2:08

This is my first post, so howdy folks. It isn't, however, my first lock. I've got your "basic" set of picks, enough to get me through most locks. Usually, I have enough space to work around inside of the locks. This Schlage I've been working on, however, is limiting me.

This is the same model lock that I'm attempting to pick. My problem is that I'm having a tough time retaining the feel that I need inside of the lock to properly pick it. I don't know if it has security pins and as far as I can tell it's a 7 pin lock.

This is the lock from my door, but I'm trying to pick the same model lock. The reasons are legitimate, don't worry.

So, any recommendations on how to deal with the limited space? Anybody getting some long lost memories from experiences with this particular lock? Any help would be great. Thanks.

by **MB38** » 18 May 2004 2:20

Guess we can't edit our posts. Anyhoo, I wasn't quite specific enough.

I usually pick individual pins, as one should. As I stated before, this lock is narrow enough and has severe enough wedges that it's difficult to do. So I tried raking, which was mostly unsuccessful. I've had one full success after about 20 failed attempts. It was pure luck with a handful of raking. Not sure how I got so lucky, but such is the nature of these things.

Back to the original question, of course. Any tips?

by **CitySpider** » 18 May 2004 8:09

Any chance you can procure us a picture (the first picture, not the second) that's more in focus? If your camera doesn't have that capability, maybe look around on the internet until you find the exact same lock, then give us a link to that page?

That's all in case there's something weird about that particular lock, though. My first suggestion would be get some slimmer picks. They're not a cure-all by any means, but they help a great deal.

by **Chucklz** » 18 May 2004 14:17

This appears to be a Schlage removeable core lock. Could you provide a picture of a key? I wonder if this may be Everest or Primus? I cant read whats engraved on the cylinder from your picture.

by **Mad Mick** » 18 May 2004 15:46

It doesn't appear to be particularly heavily warded, what sort of size (height, not length) are the picks that you are using? Maybe there's a low setting rear pin in there which is impeding pick movement when set?

by **MB38** » 18 May 2004 19:44

Heheh, before I could even take more pictures of it I got bitter and straightened a clothes hanger. Under the door it went, up to the doorknob and I had it open on my first try. I appreciate the help, though, but this mission is accomplished.

by **webidiot2** » 11 Dec 2005 3:13

Like the saying goes Some things may be pick proof, but everything can be bypassed.... (Chrispy)

by **digital_blue** » 11 Dec 2005 3:47

Wow. Chrispy, you're being quoted now.

by **Dent** » 11 Dec 2005 5:11

Some said it LOOKS like a Schlage which I agree though I can't make it out so I'm not going to comment on this....

it is however, NOT a primus lock(as he wouldnt have gotten it open 1 in 20 tries, plus that isnt a primus cynlinder...)

Something I like though:

"This is the lock from my door, but I'm trying to pick the same model lock. The reasons are legitimate, don't worry."

lol.... yeah. Totally, I really trust you Mr. Anonymous internet man!

Anyway, did you actually unlock the deadbolt with the coathanger or what? your saying the deadbolt wasnt engaged but the door was still locked?(then why post pictures of deadbolt?)

Good luck with it though

by **jebus** » 11 Dec 2005 5:14

Dent wrote:Some said it LOOKS like a Schlage which I agree though I can't make it out so I'm not going to comment on this....

it is however, NOT a primus lock(as he wouldnt have gotten it open 1 in 20 tries, plus that isnt a primus cynlinder...)

Something I like though:

"This is the lock from my door, but I'm trying to pick the same model lock. The reasons are legitimate, don't worry."

lol.... yeah. Totally, I really trust you Mr. Anonymous internet man!

Anyway, did you actually unlock the deadbolt with the coathanger or what? your saying the deadbolt wasnt engaged but the door was still locked?(then why post pictures of deadbolt?)

Good luck with it though

From experience i would say its an sc1 keyway, not necessarily a schlage lock though.

by **zeke79** » 11 Dec 2005 10:56

Since this post has been resurected from the dead, I figure I will add another bit of info. The lock should actually be a 6 pin lock with the 7th pin being for core removal.

by **Spot** » 11 Dec 2005 15:36

That shape lock in England would be a "Best" cylinder 7 pin with removable core for quick key changes. A pig to pick open.
We don't see many Schlage locks in the UK so I can't really comment on the exact make / model of the one in question.

by **zeke79** » 11 Dec 2005 16:54

Spot,

I believe what schlage produces is a LFIC or large format interchangeable core. The lock differs from best by using only the 7th pin for control function. The control keys are cut on special blanks from schlage and already have the 7th cut at the proper depth so I feel the control pin cut is the same across all of these locks. Best can be a bear to pick because you are working with 2 shear line and you must be able to feel which you are picking to. Hope that clears that up a bit.

by **vector40** » 11 Dec 2005 18:41

You ever picked one of these, zeke?

by **zeke79** » 11 Dec 2005 18:56

I have not tried to pick them. I have pinned up several in the past though. They should not be any different than a standard 6 pin schlage to pick to operating(as long as they are not primus or everest). Picking to control would require very delicate tension I think. I think this would be a perfect lock to demonstrate the usefulness of bumping. One could cut a bumpkey on a control key blank and bump to control very easily.

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