5 lever mortis with barrel curtain

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Hi I am new to this site and could do with some help. Could anyone tell me what the best tool (manufacturer name and a price estimate would be greatly appreciated) would be to open a 5 lever mortis (with barrel curtain) without drilling it. Also could anyone tell me the best way to open a bulldog padlock?

Any help would be appreciated!

Thanx

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I moved this thread here. Probably a better chance of getting a good answer in this forum.

Cheers!

db

[Rockford]

Wow - that's about as vague as you can get !.

What lock are you trying to open, and why are you trying to open it without keys ?.

Supply a little more information, and you may get some help.

[quicklocks]

try this

give us some more to go on and we will try to help
eg is it a bs lock or just has a curtain
or make eg yale, chubb ect the more info off you the better. a picture of the lock is a good place to start

[pinky]

without specific info , your question is unanswerable, as there is no such thing as a truly universal pick, as each model of lock is entirely different and each model of lock has its own dedicated pick.

Of the picks that pick a number of different curtain locks, all require both training and months of practice, and as each model picks differently each has its own skills to learn.

what make and if possible model of lock do you refer to, and why do you wish to know how to open it without keys ?

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Its a union 5 lever I know how to drill it I learned that at the locksmith course i took. Ive got keys I just want to know what sort of curtain pick to buy to open these type of locks because Im worried that if I drill one for a future customer I will kill the lock. Its curtain protected locks in general I'm not a burgaler Im a practicing lock smith whos new to the bussiness.

Thanx guys.

[toomush2drink]

To be as kind as i can be in this situation may i suggest you look at investing in some proper training so you learn how to open these types of locks. The union non bs is a good starting point lock and they open easily enough with little practice so if your drilling these you may wish to review your status as a trading locksmith.Read through the site and you will probably learn a lot more than your course taught you. Who was the course with btw ?

[pinky]

Where exactly did you train ? i would love to hear about the so called locksmith trainer who teaches the drilling of Union BS or Non Bs, i would be asking for your money back.

Any trading locksmith new or not should be embarressed at drilling a union non bs, as these are a 30 second opening with just 2 wires, the union bs is picked open in under 5 mins with most makes of curtain pick and in approx 2 mins with the decoder.

Toomush and i are really not having a pop at you, but the picking of these locks should be covered on any basic course, if not what exactly have you been taught, i would seek a refund, its wrong of these guys to train you in locksmithing by showing the simple bypasses and the drill, this is far from being a locksmith, any decent locksmith will pick open doors, and in the rare occasion he must drill he changes the lock free, i would seriously get properly trained if you wish to survive in the business, and read this site , invest in tools and start practicing.

As if drilling Union locks, i would seriously reconsider badging yourself as a trading locksmith, where did you train ?

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I’m not drilling them I just want to know what’s the best way to get past curtain barrels. i went to buy the souber standard pick set today but didn’t fancy parting with £145 until I know if its a good purchase I was just using the union as a “for instance” looking at it now I see there’s a slot in it where the levers could be lifted and a lever lock pick would throw the bolt .

If anyone could please help me I would be very grateful. At the moment I am struggling by on the little money I am earning for odd lock picking jobs. I gave someone who knows someone a bit of cash to show me a few things, not the best of training but all I could afford. I am just trying to learn more so I can do more. I appreciate that this game isn’t easy but at the moment I can’t afford that training.

Where is the best place to train and what do reckon is a reasonable price?

Thanx guys

[illusion]

Out of interest - how would Chris Belcher's curtain picks fair against this lock?

A 5 lever BS lock doesn't seem overly difficult - is there something unusual that might throw you off?

[Shrub]

Have a look at Chris Belchers range of picks for a curtain pick.

You shouldnt really be trading as a lockie with no training.

Safe ventures or Chris Belcher are good places to start enquireing for training.

Do not use a cheap ebay course.

Look on the training threads on what you should be paying for.

[Shrub]

Illusion, Unions are one of the easiest

[pinky]

Chris belcher and safeventures are best place to start, but when you see the amount of picks and skill needed, you will realise just by looking at safeventures site that you need a large loan.

Without seeming nasty and with no malice intended, it is moraly wrong of you to trade as a locksmith without the tools and knowledge to do so, this is not a trade you can just decide to be a locksmith, it takes a substantial investment and a shed load of practice.
If this is the sum total of your training and knowledge, then you should not be advertising yourself as a trading locksmith, it is wrong to charge a customer as a locksmith if not one yet.

read this site, learn from it , then decide if this is what you want to do, if yes then get trained properly and get properly tooled up, otherwise all you can be is what is giving the uk industry a bad name, another cowboy with a drill.

there is no short cuts,, it will take time , dedicated practice and a substantial investment on your part, I would wait until your in the financial position to start properly.

but as a tip, again read the site alot of reviews exist on which is the best curtain picks available and all only the search button away.

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illusion

try picking a chubb 3G114 and then tell me that they are nothing difficult !

the bs locks on the whole are made tricky by the anti picks, they add a whole new dimension to picking lever locks.
ERA , Legge and union are about the simplest to defeat, but a chubb 3G114 or 3G110 is a totaly different ball game, but all achievable.

[illusion]

illusion

try picking a chubb 3G114 and then tell me that they are nothing difficult !

Yeah I heard the 114's are quite formidable

I suppose I should have said "a Union 5 lever BS seems easy" - this would have been better...

I guess it's all achievable with patience and the correct tools - takes longer than simply drilling, but would give great satisfaction