I'm not sure what kind of help do i need ;)

by **Zeko** » 17 Dec 2005 7:49

First of all, sorry about my bad english, i'm still learning

I'm Zeko, and i'm from small but proud country in the middle of Europe - Croatia. My nick Zeko translated in english means 'Bunny'. I'm student of electricity and electronics and i'm also working. My current job is fixing things like computers, phones or cash registers that other people have broken

I just think that i have found myself a new hobby. When i have repairing one cash register today, i try to open it without key. For this i used small screwdriver as a torque wrench, and one paper clip. The lock on cash register was two pin lock and i have open it, and close it in less then five seconds. I don't know how or what happend inside the lock, but i manage to open and close this lock without key! I try to do this few more times just in case that i don't forget how to do this.

My question here is what should i do next? I wannt to continue with lockpicking! I'm currently reading MIT lockpicking guide, and i wannt to become lockpicking proffesional like you guys! I'm planing to buy few types of lock and practice on it, but i don't know what kind of picks is best to buy / create for this new bussiness?

My last question is where can i find pictures of real flatland locks like the one in the MIT LP guide, because here in Croatia, we're using pin column model of locks very often and i have never seen flatland locks before in my life!

Once again, sorry about really bad english, and thanks in advance for your answers!

Bye!

by **hzatorsk** » 17 Dec 2005 9:40

Zeko,

Welcome!

Not all of us are professionals... many of us do this for hobby.

May I suggest you finish up your reading of the MIT Guide and post questions about the guide that you may need help understanding. We do sort of expect you have already read that guide when we help folks.

Also... read up on the laws of your country about locksmiths as a business and perhaps owning lock picks as a private citizen. If legal in your area, perhaps buy a starter set of picks... many discussions are to be found here on lock pick set recommendations.

We do encourage you to search this site using the search feature and read through the FAQs and general information sections.

As for your interest in becoming a locksmith... try to find if a course in the subject is offered in your area. Perhaps look for a trade school or university offering.

The 'flatland' lock is a concept drawing. It is not a real lock. The idea is to flatten out the internal design of a pin tumbler lock for those that have a hard time understanding a real pin tumbler lock. It is a drawing just to show the inportant concept of the pin and shear line relationship.

...and your English is better than some here that claim it as their first language.

Welcome again... we look forward to your participation as you grow in this new hobby.

z

by **Zeko** » 17 Dec 2005 10:10

hzatorsk wrote:Zeko,

Welcome!

Not all of us are professionals... many of us do this for hobby.

May I suggest you finish up your reading of the MIT Guide and post questions about the guide that you may need help understanding. We do sort of expect you have already read that guide when we help folks.

Also... read up on the laws of your country about locksmiths as a business and perhaps owning lock picks as a private citizen. If legal in your area, perhaps buy a starter set of picks... many discussions are to be found here on lock pick set recommendations.

We do encourage you to search this site using the search feature and read through the FAQs and general information sections.

As for your interest in becoming a locksmith... try to find if a course in the subject is offered in your area. Perhaps look for a trade school or university offering.

The 'flatland' lock is a concept drawing. It is not a real lock. The idea is to flatten out the internal design of a pin tumbler lock for those that have a hard time understanding a real pin tumbler lock. It is a drawing just to show the inportant concept of the pin and shear line relationship.

...and your English is better than some here that claim it as their first language.

Welcome again... we look forward to your participation as you grow in this new hobby.

z

Posession of lockpicks in my country is legal and it is not a crime BUT if you do anything that includes lockpicking, you are declared as a criminal

This is also the reason that i have to make picks by myself because there is no place in my country where i can buy this

But i'm not the criminal, i just need a hobby, and i think i found it!

I have also downloaded CIA Lockpicking manual and Advanced Lockpicking secrets. I'm planing study this few documents and all texts writen on this page.

Thanks for your reply! I have finished reading MIT guide, and for now, i don't have any questions

by **cha0s** » 17 Dec 2005 11:36

Welcome Zeko, good meeting you. Im not sure about the cash register lock but im going to bet it was a wafer lock, i dont think there would be enough room to put in a pin tumbler lock, in my experiences with registers they are all wafers. Good to see your interest and if you do want to make tools there are plenty of tutorial here.

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thats a great guide made by one of our members. I wish you luck and as i always say when someone will be making picks "Wear Safety Glasses!!!" Good luck and if there is anything you dont understand because you dont know a word or something (i agree with hzatorsk that you probably know more english than some english speaking members) just ask.

Happy picking!

-Drew

by **Auto45** » 17 Dec 2005 12:23

Zeko wrote:First of all, sorry about my bad english, i'm still learning

Zeko welcome
I wish I could write as well as you, Some here do this both as a hobby and some are working locksmiths. By reading what you wrote you will learn lock picking fast.

If you can not buy picks where you live there are posts on how to make homemade picks

. Use the Search button, you will find post on how to make you own tools.
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by **Omikron** » 17 Dec 2005 14:23

Welcome Zeko!

Congratulations on starting one of the most exciting and rewarding hobbies around! :-)

If you have trouble making picks, there are several companies that would be happy to sell you some and ship internationally. However, you should try making them first, as it's very fun and gives you some insight into the toolmaking process.

P.S. Your english is not only very good, but it is many times better than 95% of the other new people that start posting, many of them from the US or UK!

Good luck!

by **Zeko** » 17 Dec 2005 16:05

Thank you all, i will continue learning how to pick locks. I will first create my own picks, and then, maybe someday, i will buy some professional stuff...

Once again, thank you all!

by **Zeko** » 17 Dec 2005 16:13

cha0s wrote:Im not sure about the cash register lock but im going to bet it was a wafer lock, i dont think there would be enough room to put in a pin tumbler lock, in my experiences with registers they are all wafers.

Yes, it is a wafer lock. I did not know the name of it, until now

thats a great guide made by one of our members. I wish you luck and as i always say when someone will be making picks "Wear Safety Glasses!!!"

I'm currently reading it!

Good luck and if there is anything you dont understand because you dont know a word or something (i agree with hzatorsk that you probably know more english than some english speaking members) just ask.

Thanks, i will! And if i can help you with croatian, you know where to find me!

Happy picking!

by **cha0s** » 17 Dec 2005 19:19

HaHa, Yes im about to take my anual Croatian Vacation a few phrases would be nice. :lol:

by **DrStu** » 17 Dec 2005 20:25

I have actually been to Croatia. I had a really good time drinking Travarica Rakija.

by **Zeko** » 18 Dec 2005 2:26

DrStu wrote:I have actually been to Croatia. I had a really good time drinking Travarica Rakija.

If you will ever go to Croatia again, make sure you try dark beer from Osijek, kulen from Slavonia, and prsut from Dalmatia

And travarica is good... Very, very good :twisted:

by **Zeko** » 18 Dec 2005 2:42

cha0s wrote:HaHa, Yes im about to take my anual Croatian Vacation a few phrases would be nice.

It's easy. When you read something that is croatian, you just need to speak like some russian guys in american movies

It's simple!

here are few phrases:

Hay! - Bok!
Good day! - Dobar dan!
Good morning! - Dobro jutro!
Good evening! - Dobra vecher!
Bye! - Dovidjenja!, Bok!
One travarica please! - Jednu travaricu molim!
Thank you! - hvala!
It's OK, keep the change! - U redu je, zadrzite ostatak!

Excuse me, how can i find **some place*** - Oprostite, kako mogu nachi **someplace**

But don't worry, everybody here speak at least english and german language, so there is no problem in communication

When you go to croatia on vacation, people say "Small country for big vacation!"
For Slovenia they say: "Small country for small vacation!"

For Bosnia thay say: "Come here on your vacation, your car is allready here!"

It's some of Balkanian jokes!

by **Chrispy** » 18 Dec 2005 5:37

Why r the 'r's bolded?

by **Zeko** » 18 Dec 2005 7:57

Chrispy wrote:Why r the 'r's bolded?

Because you need to read them hard, like russian people read english

It's true!

Anyhow, i need some help. Can someone please explain me diference between picking and raking? I don't fully understand.

Thanks in advance!

by **Woofcat** » 18 Dec 2005 8:47

I am new to this aswell and will try my best to explain and not be wrong.

Rakeing is when you take something like a snake rake pick.

Then you apply the correct ammount of tension then pull the pick out from the keyway. This will bounce the pins up and down and with the correct tension some will catch.

Then most often i would get out a hook and single pick the remaining binding pins. Remember this does not always work and many people stress learning single pin picking first.

I'm not sure what kind of help do i need ;)

I'm not sure what kind of help do i need ;)

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