Gun Cabinets

by **The Pindropper** » 28 Dec 2005 15:04

Sirs, I intend to offer a NDE, to Gun Cabinets, service to the Local Police Force, can anyone offer advice on the most popular lock types and or any tips, pitfalls etc etc as I have no experience in this field at all!!!

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by **SFGOON** » 28 Dec 2005 15:29

The majority of gun cabinets I have seen are cheap locks. The mor popular kind are tubular and combo, at least in the US.

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by **pinky** » 28 Dec 2005 16:07

This is not the case in the uk, on most gun cabinets you will find at least 2 but often 3 locks, all will be 7 lever.
These will be either 7 lever chubb 3G117 or chubb 3g107 locks, or 7 lever safe locks, typicaly S2 locks, walsall or L & F 7 lever post office locks.

The locks are protected with at least half inch of hard plate.

Its fine to offer this service to police, but i would advise mastering the picking of 5 lever locks such as ERA and walsall before going for this contract, no short cut exists with these locks and no decoders are available for them either, for these you will have to get down and practice hard with 2 in 1 picks and curtain picks on 7 lever locks with anti picks, practice makes perfect.

if you can pick a walsall A55 lock or a range of ERA invincible locks, then you should do well on the safe locks with more practice, if you can pick by hand ( not with a decoder) the chubb 3G114 lock, then with practice you will manage the 3G117 lock, as its a 114 case in gold with 7 thinner 114 levers inside.

You have 2 choices, develop your picking skills on these locks above, or your stuck offering the police a destructive service, as no decoders available for them.

by **zeke79** » 28 Dec 2005 16:20

The safe I use is what I would consider medium burglar resistance and mostly a fire safe. It is a liberty safe that uses 1/2" hardplate around the lock, glass relockers, and a group 2 S&G 6730 combination lock. I find that most of the higher dollar gun safes such as this one use the same features. If the features are not the same then the glass relockers are replaced with a hard plate and ball bearing drill protection.

by **pinky** » 28 Dec 2005 19:06

Tips i can give on uk gun cabinets if you want to offer an NDE service especially to police;

1) invest in a range of 7g RB safe picks
2) get good with these as police require swift openings on the whole
3) invest in the cb pick as this is the only curtain pick that will pick the
chubb 3G117, the cb e series curtain pick will pick the chubb 3G107.
4) get exceptional with these picks, conquer 3G114 and 114E locks 1st as
same levers though thicker than 117 and 107 levers.
5) invest in a range of 7 lever safe locks, such as S2 curtain and non curtain safe locks, walsall safe locks,ERA safe locks & various post office locks, all must be 7 lever to comply.

If you have mastered the handpicking of 5 lever BS locks then with practice these will pose little problem, if you havnt yet mastered these locks then back to drawing board and master these locks with curtain pick, and master the 7 lever safe locks with 7g 2 in 1 pick before offering anything as bold as an NDE service to police on these cabinets, if still struggling with picking 5 lever bs locks and safe locks then maybe this is a service for 12 months down the line.

These can be a simple opening destructively, often under 5 mins, but this is not what you are asking.

ive come across some heavy duty safe locks on some cabinets, but all that is for sure is the locks will have a minimum of 7 levers and there will be 2 or 3 of them on the cabinet.

Advice as i know you, is dont jump in offering a nde service on these until more practiced and capable of offering such service, walk before running and master the basics first, offer to open these by all means as good experience, but dont be too bold yet as to offer a guaranteed NDE service on them..

by **Chrispy** » 29 Dec 2005 4:45

Australian rifle cabinets will often have two, lever safe locks (one at the top, one at the bottom). They will either be five lever double bitted locks or six lever single bitted locks, welded onto the 7mm steel door.

by **oldlock** » 29 Dec 2005 6:47

[quote="pinky"]

The locks are protected with at least half inch of hard plate.

Its fine to offer this service to police, but i would advise mastering the picking of 5 lever locks such as ERA and walsall before going for this contract, no short cut exists with these locks and no decoders are available for them either, for these you will have to get down and practice hard with 2 in 1 picks and curtain picks on 7 lever locks with anti picks, practice makes perfect.

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I have never seen a gun cabinet with hard plate - never. And I saw a lot of gun cabinets when I was in the UK.

One of the most popular locks is the Willenhall post office lock, it can be opened very quickly and will nill skill using the kit Nigel Rose sells.

However, I doubt the original posted would get much call for his services ? Just why would the police wish to gain access to a lot of gun cabinets ???

by **pinky** » 29 Dec 2005 6:50

most gun cabinets i come across have half inch of hard plate protecting against frontal drilling, usualy the hardened plate that the lock is mounted on.
Though no such protection exists against drilling side of cabinet to punch bolt back.

by **oldlock** » 29 Dec 2005 6:54

pinky wrote:most gun cabinets i come across have half inch of hard plate protecting against frontal drilling, usualy the hardened plate that the lock is mounted on.
Though no such protection exists against drilling side of cabinet to punch bolt back.

Made by whom ?

by **zeke79** » 29 Dec 2005 8:40

old lock,

My safe is Liberty brand and does use hardplate for frontal protection, but as far as I know there is no protection from drilling on the sides, top, or back of the safe.

by **pinky** » 29 Dec 2005 8:44

Mcavoy gunsmiths are the most common im comming across, half inch of h/p, but no side protection againsst bolt punching.

but many use hard plate mountings protecting from front drill attack.

by **raimundo** » 29 Dec 2005 11:58

the most common weakness in safe walls is not the top sides or back but is actually the bottom. be sure to check the bottom, it may also be the more easily 'repaired' if you do go through with a torch.

by **n2oah** » 29 Dec 2005 12:37

There is a slight difference between a gun CABINET and a gun SAFE. A gun cabinet is a cabinet. I haven't seen too many cabinets with a 2" hardplate. Gun cabinets usually have cheap wafer locks on them, and they often have a window.
A gun safe is a safe, usually with a nice combination lock and a thick door.

by **taylorgdl** » 29 Dec 2005 12:59

The guns where I work are all in cabinets, with 3 padlocks and a wafer lock, checked every 4 hours. Although not very high security, they are a little on the hard side to get to unless you've been through the various gates and checkpoints first.
I know the locks and cabinet are not great security wise, as I have picked similar, and they could also be shimmed.

Oh, did I mention the armed guard as well . . . !

But in cabinets none the less.

G.

by **illusion** » 29 Dec 2005 13:01

I've seen small lever-locks used in cabinets, and also warded locks...

I have a 2 lever lock that was used on a small cabinet... cool to pick, but can be overlifted easily

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