hardest lock

[dylan]

me and my friend were having a disscusion:

wot wud be the hardest lock to pick?

we had a few laughs about like having 10 pin 8 cylinder locks n stuff

lets have ur opinion

[zeke79]

My opinion is read the rules and check your spelling .

[taylorgdl]

Hardest lock to open ?

The one you get to, and can’t ? (without the key).

Surely this is an individual taste matter, locks that are hard for you, are easy for someone else. But I do understand where you are coming from, and for my vote, I think the abus range must be up there amongst the toughest. Although I daresay there are tougher locks out there (i.e safe locks and specialist stuff like jails, vaults and armouries). Just my thoughts.

G.

[webidiot2]

abloy or the evva 3ks would be very hard to pick.

[vector40]

So far as I'm aware, nobody has yet heard of anyone picking one of the new Abloys.

[Shrub]

I heard a gauntlet drop then im sure

Do you have a specific product code?

[eric343]

Evva MCS.
You can get tools to open most Abloys and the 3KS, but the MCS is as-yet impossible to surreptitiously open.

There might even be a cash prize for it, though I'm not entirely sure.

[Shrub]

Ok, youve got me interested now.

Out of interest, what sort of rules are on these new lock prizes that come up now and again? i take it an NDE method has to be done and that it has to be done regulary or is it open that lck any way you can and you only need to do it once?

[eric343]

Based on my understanding W.R.T. the MCS challenge--
You must be able to open, without damage, two Evva MCS padlocks (or perhaps mounted door locks) that are sent to you.

If you have a technique in mind, send me a PM and I'll get you in touch with the relevant person.

I've already thought of looking at the magnetic field of the magnet to find the gate. This won't work, because the gates are cut in a metal carrier in which the magnets are embedded.

Picking may work. It would be very difficult, though, as the sidebar exerts enough force on the magnets to make them almost impossible to turn once torque is applied. You would need to have excellent torque control.

[Shrub]

Im trying to be careful as this is in public but why doesnt the normal methods of defeating magnetic locks work on these?

I can only find a small exploded view and it doesnt give me enough detail to look at the lock properly.

[vector40]

Are you telling me the Protec has been compromised?

Hey, who's read the Da Vinci Code? Anyone recognize the "laser-pocked" triangular safe deposit key? Didn't seem like anything I've ever heard of.

[n2oah]

Im trying to be careful as this is in public but why doesnt the normal methods of defeating magnetic locks work on these?

It's a magnetic sidebar lock. As far as my knowledge goes, the magnets are seperated into 8 sections, like a pie. Then, that magnet rotates to set a sidebar.
If Evva sents me two padlocks for that picking challenge, do I get to keep them?

[Shrub]

I thought the protec had, by skold or someone, ill see if i can find the link.

[n2oah]

I thought the protec had, by skold or someone, ill see if i can find the link.

The problem that it was masterkeyed so heavily it shouldn't even count.

[eric343]

Well, there is no known bypass for the lock, so...

The closest analogue to the MCS is the Simplex pushbutton mechanism, except that the position of the tumblers is set by magnets instead of by pushing buttons.

The mechanism can be simplified and imagined as follows, which will give you a general idea of the workings.

On either side of the key are four magnetic discs. Imagine them to look like cookies with a bite taken out -- at one point, there is a notch in the rim. Now, rotate each notch around so that it faces the back of the lock. A sidebar with protruding "fingers" can now drop into each notch.

Each magnetic disc is rotated by a similar magnetic disc mounted in the key. The magnetization of each disc is complex, and the sidebar slides horizontally in the lock (it doesn't drop in towards the center of the plug, but rather moves forwards towards the front of the lock). The magnetic discs are also contained in housings, instead of having a chunk taken out of them.