hardest lock

[digital_blue]

I read a lot of chatter and heard alot of rumors but there is just absolutely no way to pick any of the Abloy series like classic, profile, disklock, disklock pro, exec, protec. The discs are just too many like a fixed 10 digit combination lock. All the discs rotate with practically no friction no such thing as tension.

Oh? Reaaaaallly.... why is it that Abloy has continually improved their design then? Why add additional security if there is "just absolutely no way to pick" even a classic. This is just not the case.

db

[devildog]

I was under the impression that the only confirmed 'unpickable' lock at the moment was the Rosengren safe lock. Anyone?

[Shrub]

I read a lot of chatter and heard alot of rumors but there is just absolutely no way to pick any of the Abloy series like classic, profile, disklock, disklock pro, exec, protec. The discs are just too many like a fixed 10 digit combination lock. All the discs rotate with practically no friction no such thing as tension.

Your so very wrong

Well take a look at the Evva mentioend earlier, if thats pickable its a great feat, i hope to get one to play with soon but its a formidable lock.

[hzatorsk]

Don't be so negative.

Easy Chrispy... your successfully picking on 'abloy'.

lmao :D:D

Z

[n2oah]

I'd say that the DiskLock Pro is the hardest Abloy lock to pick. The broach is horrible and it is very hard to get a pick into. The Protec, on the other hand, has a keyway that is decent, and the DBS can be bypassed.
The Rosgren RLK10 is the lock to pick these days. It is a gear-driven lever lock with one helluva curtain.

[linty]

digital_blue, isn't (a large) part of the reason these companies keep "improving" their design is to keep active patents?

[digital_blue]

digital_blue, isn't (a large) part of the reason these companies keep "improving" their design is to keep active patents?

Perhaps, but improvements in the Abloy line have addressed specific vulnerabilities. I was simply pointing out the silliness of the original statement. I only wish that I were one of the ones who *could* pick an Abloy lock to demonstrate, but no question it's been done.

db

[skold]

I read a lot of chatter and heard alot of rumors but there is just absolutely no way to pick any of the Abloy series like classic, profile, disklock, disklock pro, exec, protec. The discs are just too many like a fixed 10 digit combination lock. All the discs rotate with practically no friction no such thing as tension.

You do make me laugh.

Ever heard the word "FALLE"?

Mainly i have found the following reasons for the manufacturing companies to improve their lock designs:

Patent extending
Key control
Master keying possibilities


Also the better they sound and look, the more sales they are likely to get.

Yes n2oah.. the keyway on disklock pro is a pain in the arse, it would be very difficult to use a Falle Classic decoder style pick due to the deep broaching. But Falle does have a DECODER though it does not pick the lock, it will tell the user the code so that a key can be cut.

RLK10 looks like it will give Abloy a run for its money.

[zeke79]

The RKL10 uses abloy style angled cuts on the key coupled with the gear driven mechanism. The lock is very impressive indeed. If you could see the amount of parts involved in the lock you would be amazed. The curtain from what I understand is a real limiting factor for picking. As of now there are no picks for this lock. I am sure that will change too though.

[eric343]

If you look at the website of the guy mentioned in the manipulation software thread, he has an RKL10 pick listed.

[raimundo]

there was a guy who was reported to be opening coin phones with western electric locks on them, back in the 1980s, but after Matt Blaze paper on this lock and some hands on with a copy of it, I have a different theory of how he was doing this, the lock was made for a phone monopoly, who probably kept a small locksmithing department for these and other locks on the companies buildings. The information on the distribution, location, and key cuts for all those pay phones was probably kept there, and if the cleaning crew found this, xeroxed it, and accessed a number of the key blanks, the locks would have succumbed to industrial espionage fairly easily. That was back in the day when such information would have been on paper, not in a computer. Whether it was someone like the cleaning crew or a disgruntled ex-employee of the locksmithing dept, or just someone who had access one time for long enough to copy the information, that would have explained the story of someone going around the country opening those boxes.

[zeke79]

If you look at the website of the guy mentioned in the manipulation software thread, he has an RKL10 pick listed.

If it is Chris Belcher you are speaking of then it's not a pick he has. It is a reset tool and I figure the assembly tool required when assembling the locks.

[abloy]

You are right skold Abloy just keeps designing new stuff because the patents run out on the old stuff. They will always keep with the same principals of using discs. As for the Protec line, besides the discs, there are two radius to work with. That makes it more difficult to read the keys but allows more masterkeying possibilities. I believe Falle is going by asumption that if you design a certain tool you'll be able to pick the Abloy classic. The only tool is the actual key itself. There is no picking technique that I have actually seen without cheating or knowing the code ahead of time. You can purchase a Abloy classic decoder to decode the key. The decoder itself cannot help you pick the lock. I am confident that no one has ever walked up to an Abloy lock and just be able to pick it.

[abloy]

Seriously, I'm sorry if I sound overly confident about Abloy. I've never been sucessful to pick one, hence the acknowledgement. The parts for most, if not all of the Abloy line is a lot less than other manufacturers. The locks are pretty basic and you can put one together within a few minutes. That's the advantage of the Abloy when you compare the security features and the ease.

[eric343]

Abloy,
There is a tool that will enable you to just walk up to an Abloy (classic) and open it.