Abus 65/50 Cannot pick

[Jason13]

hey ive been at this lock day N Night pickin it with low tension and increasing time at a time. I was wondering If Raking it or Using that Pick with alot of bites on it maybe work . BTW Is the pick that has the bites on it, can it be used like the jiggler pick With all the raking and shaking up and down.

[SFGOON]

You need a LOT of jigglers or rockers to find the one that will work. You can use that one rake as a jiggler, but it will only work on a fraction of pin combinations.

[Jason13]

By pin picking i can only set the 1st pin. On the raking with that pick I could pick 2. Still trying to pick it with this little method.

[Buggs41]

Jason,

Try a combination of the two techniques. Set as many pins as you can by raking, then clean up the ones that didn't set by single pin picking them.

[skold]

Try an easier lock.

If you feel your up to it, turn it into a cutaway.


OR.

Remove some pins.

[stlbolt]

People and there homemade cutaway's *sigh*... I can never make them i always cut into the plug.. never looks like I go that far though .. bah.

[skold]

People and there homemade cutaway's *sigh*... I can never make them i always cut into the plug.. never looks like I go that far though .. bah.

As long as you can use a hacksaw or milling machine it is easy to make a cutaway.

[digital_blue]

People and there homemade cutaway's *sigh*... I can never make them i always cut into the plug.. never looks like I go that far though .. bah.

Why not take the plug out to make a cutaway (assuming it is a lock that you can remove the plug from)? Makes life much easier. Depending on how "cut away" you want your cutaway to be, you may wish to also cut away the plug, but this would be easier accomplished as separate cuts.

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[stlbolt]

Yeah, I wasn't able to take out the plug on the one I cut through it was built into it... Wasn't that big of deal 5 dollar walmart lock can alwas go buy another one

[Keyring]

By pin picking i can only set the 1st pin.

Jason: The 1st pin, the one you can set, is a straight pin. The other 4 are spool pins. Read up on how to deal with spool pins. Basically, use the pressure you apply upwards on each spool pin to rotate the cylinder against the direction in which you are applying turning torque with your tension wrench. I'm sure someone's pointed out to you a link to an animation of this already before.

If you do this then the 65/50 is a reasonably easy pick.

[Jason13]

let me say that it has not 1 spool in it on the back of the package i got it in. it says This Padlock has anti-pick mushroom pins. I can pick spools easy. Spools are probally the easyiest.

[illusion]

mushroom pins should rotate the cylinder against the direction you are applying torque to, if you lift them when they have false set... there's kind of a knack to it knowing when you've lifted the security pin high enough but it's just practice.

aye I sent you the animation in one of the threads... it should help.

[Jason13]

You sent me a Spool animation

[illusion]

no shi...

yes it is an animation of a spool, but did it not occur that the way the pin is trapped by the gap it has would mean that pushing it up and reducing tension would naturaly cause the plug to turn opposite to the direction you are applying tension to, as the pin is pushed up? - even if it is a mushroom pin

[digital_blue]

Spools are the easiest, eh? Well, watch out for those mushroom pins. Now *they're* difficult!



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