Ingersoll, Where?

by **SteveW** » 3 Jan 2006 7:37

As you may have read in a recent thread i am trying to find as much info as possible on Ingersoll/Multilock cylinders. What i rearly want is to get my hands on some to pull em appart etc.

Ive been checking my wholesalers and i cant get the cylinders without purchasing the whole lock etc. Does anyone know of a supplier who will sell just the cylinders (the whole lock and cylinder is expensive :roll:

) I expect Aldridges sell em but as yet they have not graced me with a locking products catalogue, they have sent me catalogues for everything else just not the one i actually want :evil:

by **EvoRed** » 3 Jan 2006 8:13

Yes, Aldridge sell just the SC1 cylinder. Still not very cheap though at Â£47.90+VAT, less any trade discount...

by **EvoRed** » 3 Jan 2006 9:25

It's always worth keeping an eye on eBay. I picked up a new SC1 cylinder a while ago off there for something like Â£12.

by **srv** » 3 Jan 2006 9:27

SKS also sell the SC1 cylinder. Around Â£30 + vat if I remember right

by **SteveW** » 3 Jan 2006 9:51

Thanks guys

Aldridges are probably my best bet (though i am sure they just dont like me :cry:

). Ive just been on the phone to Citysafe and they do them as well still mighty expensive though ( its alot of money for something i want to pull appart

).

I will keep checking Ebay i might get lucky, but with the numbers around my way im gonna get my hands on one sooner or later (i would just prefer sooner).

Has anyone got a pic of the multi-lock souber pick set?

by **jdeacon** » 3 Jan 2006 14:03

SteveW, if you are going to be passing by my neck of the woods this week, I've got an SC71 cylinder I've already taken apart, and an SC74 I haven't disassembled yet. You could take a look at them here.

I won't be around during the middle of next week.

by **SteveW** » 3 Jan 2006 17:01

That would be great John, i will PM you

by **toomush2drink** » 4 Jan 2006 10:19

Sks do them for Â£29 plus vat bottom of page 70 in their catalogue.

by **jdeacon** » 4 Jan 2006 10:30

When I replaced the exterior cylinder of an Ingersoll SC74 a couple of weeks back, I reckoned that, unlike their beautiful SC71 rim with its nearly flush exterior, its four screws and hefty circlip, the protruding SC74 with just two screws and a weedy circlip would be very vulnerable to a blow with a big hammer.

I wonder if this is why they've introduced this "London Line" you mentioned SteveW, where their 10 disc/wafer cylinder has been dropped in favour of a Mul T Euro profile cylinder. From what I can see, the mortice and its hook bolt look unchanged. As for offering a Mul T Euro profile version of their rim, I've no idea why they're doing that.

I guess that the Mul T in question
http://www.ingersolllocks.co.uk/pdf/Londonline.pdf
is the nasty concentric dimple (and unsnappable) beasty.

by **toomush2drink** » 4 Jan 2006 11:58

I guess the reason for the changes is that the new ones are bs rated unlike the other ones. Never understod why the older ones werent bs rated as it is still a superb lock. That new stuff looks good so may have to get some literature printed off.

by **workstation** » 4 Jan 2006 16:28

jdeacon,

The whole concept of the new London Line seems really odd. Why replace a ten lever lock with a bumpable pin-tumbler lock? I suppose it's good for consumer choice, but really: what's the point?

Also, don't you think the new mortise hook lock looks a lot like a Banham M2002?, not that there's anything wrong with that.

Toomushtodrink,

I think the old Ingersolls are not BS rated because they don't offer acceptable security from both sides. The nightlatch obviously doesn't; there's no cylinder on the inside. I have never actually seen any of the mortise locks, to be honest, but they seem from the website to have exposed fixing screws on the inside. I don't think that would be acceptable.

by **SteveW** » 4 Jan 2006 18:51

Workstation,

I think the choice of using a euro type cylinder is to keep the price of the system down. The Multi-lock interactive cylinder is a fine piece of kit the sercurity level may not be as high as the 10 disc/wafer of old but it is cheaper to manufacture.

But as Pinky pointed out to me earlier today, it the quality of the lock the cylinder is fitted into that provides the sercurity.
A burgler/theif is not going to try and pick the cylinder, they will try and force the door/break the lock in that respect this lock is quite formidable compared to many others on the market.

Oh and it is the nasty dimpled unsnapable beastie :evil:

by **workstation** » 5 Jan 2006 5:09

SteveW wrote:
But as Pinky pointed out to me earlier today, it the quality of the lock the cylinder is fitted into that provides the sercurity.
A burgler/theif is not going to try and pick the cylinder, they will try and force the door/break the lock in that respect this lock is quite formidable compared to many others on the market.

Yes; that's a very good point. I'm sure the new mortise lock is a good lock in general. Two things annoy me, however: First, I don't like Mul-T-Lock cylinders. They're bumpable, or so I believe. Second, it's a shame to see everything so homogenized. Half the fun of locks is the great variety of them! If, in the future, every manufacturer is just going to make euro cylinders, we'll have lost a part of our culture. A minor part, perhaps, but a part nonetheless.

I suppose that so long as they keep making the ten lever, I shall be happy!

by **SteveW** » 5 Jan 2006 6:18

It would be a shame to loose the ten lever, i havnt had the chance to pull one appart yet

, but the time will come soon

. But from the pics ive seen they look like a beutifull piece of design and construction.

I dont think any UK lockie would want to see more lever locks replaced with cylinders, i personaly find opening a lever lock far more rewarding than opening a cylinder.

(opening a cylinder feels like a technical exercise, picking levers is an art)

I do think this highlites what a competetive industry this is, for the lockies and the manufacturers alike

by **ju_** » 5 Jan 2006 6:42

workstation wrote:I think the old Ingersolls are not BS rated because they don't offer acceptable security from both sides. The nightlatch obviously doesn't; there's no cylinder on the inside. I have never actually seen any of the mortise locks, to be honest, but they seem from the website to have exposed fixing screws on the inside. I don't think that would be acceptable.

Workstation just for you pictures of the old Ingersoll 10 lever installed on an internal door and your telling me this is not secure? :wink:

Pictures for you as well SteveW because you want as much info as possible.

Front of door

Back of Door

Side of Door

Door Frame

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