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Master bike lock

Having read the FAQ's you are still unfulfilled and seek more enlightenment, so post your general lock picking questions here.
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Master bike lock

Postby anbujustin » 20 Jan 2006 0:37

SORRY IF THIS HAS BEEN ASKED BUT IM STILL KINDA FIDDLING AND LEARNING HOW TO MASTER THE SEARCH...

I have a bike lock made by master and its a pin tumbler.

The thing is, theres this cover over the keyhole and its like spring loaded on. When i insert the torque wrench its fine except when i apply torque and see how many pins there are, the pins aren't being lifted and binded even tho at maximum torque.

Is there something in the lock thats making my torque wrench not able to apply torque to the lock? WAT THE EF IS GOING ON lol.

Neways i want to learn to pick this lock cus this is the only lock i got giving me trouble. I lost the key so now its just on my bike in my garage.

Any help is appreciated guys THANKS ALOT .

-justin
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Postby Aqua » 20 Jan 2006 2:55

Wait.... if i understand correctly, you are trying to find the nuber of pins with just applying tension on the lock? No mater how much pressure you're going to apply, you'll never get an answer to your question in this way (well, perhaps when the pins start to crack, you would be able to hear how many cracks there are).

a) To count the pins use a torque wrench only to hold that lock cover, and not to apply tension on the lock. Count the pins with a feeler pick, or a diamont, or a hook, by (from my experience):
- sliding the feeler from the deepest pin untill you reach the 'exit' of the lock (I do it this way. It gives you less feeling of the pins, but it has an advantage that you can hear the pins pop up, and simply count the sounds. It's also faster than the other method.), or by
- making your way from front to back, pushung each pin. This is based entirelly on the feel, so it's a bit safer and precise, but also a bit slower.

b) The key does lay in the tension, similar to like you've tried...but not in 'how much' you must apply for the lock to open. It's 'how little you have to apply for the pins to bind'. All you'll achieve by excessive amount of force is making your tools unusable, and perhaps even damaging the lock (been there, done that... thanks to some lock-killer-raking videos on the net. I had to reassamble a lock once becouse of a broken rake.)


What i really mean is - there is a lot of info about picking locks on this forum, and all over the internet. Give it an hour or two, try to find out how the locks really work, and i'm sure it will all become much clearer.


Oh... and if i missuderstood your problem, than i'm sorry for the lecture on such basics, but my impression after reading your post was that you have the picking methods all wrong, and you didn't read any material nor ever disassambled a lock.

Aye! :)
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Postby anbujustin » 21 Jan 2006 14:38

haha No its not that i didn't know how to pick it and how much torque to apply,

I meant that when i do apply either light or medium to hard torque the pins dont stay up. As in if u put torque like at medium strentgh and push the pins up, BOTH upper pins and lower pins get stuck.

I tried all sorts of torque and what i meant was the pins were not getting stuck at all so i have no idea why it was doing that. Ive been looking for the key so i can take it apart lol.

Thanks for your reply though
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Postby Schema » 21 Jan 2006 14:48

Just to throw it out there, try turning the other direction. :)
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