Can a Mortise cylinder be used without part inside door?

by **bprzybyl** » 23 Jan 2006 3:06

Hello,
I picked up a couple mortise cylinders (when you do it EEEEEE-Bay), and would like to pick 'em. It makes it easier when I mount them on a board, for now at least. Is there any way to take advantage of the threads on the back? I've seen what I believed to be "cylinder rings" which looked to thread into those threads. Anyhelp would be greatly apprecieated.

Thanks,
Brooks Przybylek

by **Chrispy** » 23 Jan 2006 8:42

bprzybyl wrote:Can a Mortise cylinder be used without part inside door?

Uhhhhh.... in the function of what it's meant to, no. It will not lock a door without the mortise lock body.

It will however, serve the purpose of a practice lock because the cylinder function remains the same. Key goes in, pins are raised to the shear line, plug will rotate. Have fun.

by **bprzybyl** » 23 Jan 2006 10:22

Oh I know it works. I just meant can I mount it somehow. Other than the mortise cylinders only one I'm having problems with now is a BEST SFIC. But again, eBay is helping out on that. That thing (BEST) is gonna be fun to pick.

by **hung82000** » 23 Jan 2006 13:34

You might be able to find something at a specialty hardware place that will screw into the back. I've never seen anything besides the body that it would screw into, but I certainly wouldn't be suprised to find that one exists for that purpose.

by **toomush2drink** » 23 Jan 2006 19:44

Have the cylinders got small V cut grooves down the side of them ? If so moun them near to the edge of your wood and put a screw in the side of the wood to hold it in the groove.

by **ep3o** » 23 Jan 2006 19:57

There are threaded rings that you can buy. They are specially made to mount mortise cylinders unto surfaces that are not threaded. A good example would be an exit device trim where the mortise cylinder locks and unlocks the exterior lever. I could tell you where to get these but I don't think it's allowed on this forum?

by **vector40** » 23 Jan 2006 19:59

Can't you just drill a hole the right size that the cylinder "bites" in when you screw and takes a good hunk of friction to unscrew?

No reason that wouldn't be allowed, ep3o... just door hardware.

by **ep3o** » 23 Jan 2006 20:23

vector40 wrote:Can't you just drill a hole the right size that the cylinder "bites" in when you screw and takes a good hunk of friction to unscrew?

No reason that wouldn't be allowed, ep3o... just door hardware.

You could do that, but if you take that route then you could also take the time to tap the hole that way your cylinder threads right in. Are you guys locksmiths? I haven't had a chance to chat with anyone from this forum. If you are locksmiths then maybe you can call Clark Security, or Wilco Supply in California. I believe they stock these. We keep a couple extra in the vans just in case and we get them from Clark.

by **vector40** » 23 Jan 2006 20:29

There are a few locksmiths here, a few locksmith employees on various levels, and a bunch of hobbyists and amateurs (strict definition).

by **bprzybyl** » 23 Jan 2006 23:07

Me a locksmith? nooooo. Me an ME (Mechanical Engineer - not yet). I'm gonna look for one of those rings. I thought they existed. I have a few lockmisths around me, I can give them a call tomorrow. As you guys stated earlier, I could just cut a hole which would just fit it and get the threads to bite, or set screw 'em.

Thanks guys,
Brooks Przybylek

by **n2oah** » 23 Jan 2006 23:09

If you really would like a mortise assembly, I have one right in front of me that takes 1 and 1/8 inch mortise cylinders. All you have to do is pay postage. :wink:

by **bprzybyl** » 24 Jan 2006 1:00

Hey ep3o, do you know who makes those threaded rings you speak of? they'd probably be perfect. I looked on http://www.wilcosupply.com, and found that they have an online catalog, but could not find the manufacturer who makes one. If you could tell me, that would probably solve the problem for me.

n2oah - Thanks for the offer, but I don't think it would be put to good enough use. It is nice to know that people around here are nice enough to offer stuff like that. Thanks.

Thanks to all for you help.

by **ep3o** » 24 Jan 2006 11:33

Sure, try http://www.wilcosupply.com/online%20cat ... newest.pdf go to page 87 which should be the last page. In the exploded parts view for 230L trim assembly you should see a part number six. Part number 971258 is the cylinder locknut. That is one example. Many manufacturers make this. This however might be the easiest to attain.

by **horsefeathers** » 24 Jan 2006 16:38

Why not just clamp it in your Black & Decker Workmate - the wood is soft enough not to damage the thread. I use it to hold all my practice locks (those that are not mounted in a panel like my rim cylinders), such as threaded cylinders, euros, ovals, desk/cabinet locks, mortice locks etc.

Does annoy the missus though when I drag it in from the garage and dump it on the carpet!!!

regards

wayne

by **illusion** » 24 Jan 2006 17:12

I modified my vice with some wooden jaws when I bought it.. holds locks without damaging them.

Does annoy the missus though when I drag it in from the garage and dump it on the carpet!!!

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Can a Mortise cylinder be used without part inside door?

Can a Mortise cylinder be used without part inside door?

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