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LSI site is up... with a new look!!

Looking to join a locksport group in your local area or start one? Trying to find a meeting or meetup? Look no further.

LSI site is up... with a new look!!

Postby digital_blue » 30 Jan 2006 18:09

Hey folks!

I am quite pleased that the LSI site is back up, and with a completely new look and feel. Check it out!

www.locksport.com

Cheers!

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Postby Omikron » 30 Jan 2006 18:41

Personally, I much enjoyed the old version the site. It wasn't nearly as bandwidth-heavy, and looked very professional.

Although this new design IS very good, and IS very well made, it doesn't seem to have the same feel to it. It's hard to describe what I'm talking about, so I'll just shutup and say that it looks nice, and that I'll learn to deal with it. :-P
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Postby vector40 » 30 Jan 2006 19:44

You mean to say that it feels more designed.
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Postby wtf|pickproof? » 30 Jan 2006 20:08

Well, omikron is right, the page is ..... s .... l ......o............w.
IDK whether is a mater of connection, hardware or bad webdesign and I'm to drunk to find out. :wink:


Titles of photos need to be more descriptive! The only thing I could figure out is the type of cam used.

Please give me links instead of javascript so I can open pictures in a new tab.

Some pictures in the winniepeg section seem be doublettes.


I, really like the design, it gives a warm fuzzy feeling.

just my 0,02 €

..... and, ......
L I N K S P A M !!!!!!

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Postby vector40 » 30 Jan 2006 20:16

It's slow because it's code-heavy, does not cache very much because of a ton of in-line styles and scripts, and has images coming out of the ears. No big thing on a broadband, though; are you a dial-uper?
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Postby wtf|pickproof? » 30 Jan 2006 20:20

Nah I'm on DSL. This is the only reason I complained. Even on DSL and a halfway computer it's slow. I really don't like to see pages building up slowly.
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Postby eric343 » 30 Jan 2006 23:32

MIT has dual (possibly since upgraded to triple) ten-gigabit pipes. I'm reading this on Firefox on a Sun SunBlade 1500 workstation.

That page is one of the slowest-loading I've seen all day. 10.62 seconds!

I recognize the design as an iWeb template :)

The font at the top (welcome/news/events/membership/etc) is too big and "normal". Needs more crude factor.
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Postby What » 30 Jan 2006 23:59

eric343 wrote:MIT has dual (possibly since upgraded to triple) ten-gigabit pipes. I'm reading this on Firefox on a Sun SunBlade 1500 workstation.

That page is one of the slowest-loading I've seen all day. 10.62 seconds!



it only took me 2.62 seconds on my cable internet 8)

im on a POS dell laptop.
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Postby Varjeal » 31 Jan 2006 1:41

Loaded fast on my machine...looks good too, though there's a spelling error of my last name in the Board listings. :(
*insert witty comment here*
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Postby digital_blue » 31 Jan 2006 2:42

Varjeal wrote:Loaded fast on my machine...looks good too, though there's a spelling error of my last name in the Board listings. :(


:oops: Sorry Varj. It was probably about 4:30AM when I was putting that together.

Regarding the rest of the comments... sorry folks, guess I can't please everyone.

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Postby vector40 » 31 Jan 2006 3:49

There is some entirely valid feedback here, db. Is your demurrance due to an inability to muck around with the guts of code? I'm sure there would be some folks here that wouldn't mind lending a hand, if so.
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Postby digital_blue » 31 Jan 2006 7:02

Well vec, since you ask, I'll tell you. :)

1) Though a long long time ago I was fairly involved in web design, it has been a long time, things have changed quite a bit, and I am hardly an expert in the field anymore.
2) Building and maintaining the site can be very time consuming, and at times I can find myself spread pretty thin. I've been in my slow season as of late, but it is important that the site be easily maintained without a massive time commitment when my business year is in full swing.
3) I wanted a web development tool that was easy to manage, required little advanced knowledge of web design to use and maintain, and produced a visually appealing final product. This is why I went with iWeb (good call eric ;) ). Though it does seem to suffer from the kinds of things I would expect from any first-gen product, once I get a couple small glitches worked out, it fits the bill pretty well. It manages the meeting reports easily as a blog, the photo galleries with two clicks from iPhoto, and allows enough customization that I can fit all the content cleanly.

I will mention that not everyone seems to be as concerned about the loading time on the site. It loads quite quickly for me, Varj indicated it was fine for him, and a myriad of my friends (well, both of them anyway) have checked out the page today and not complained of poor load times. However, when I was sitting at my favorite hot spot/coffee shop this evening I tried loading it and I have to admit I grimaced a bit. My guess is that for those with slower connections, the load times are somewhere between unfortunate and painful. For those with fast connections (that still complain about the load times), I would hazard a guess that these are the surfers with a particularly low tolerance for any load time at all (10 sec? If the site isn't worth a 10 sec wait to load... well.. then I've failed in a much bigger way I think).

I don't think that having someone "tweak" my code would be of any benefit, because the next time I publish from iWeb it will be back to the same code that we have now. The idea of ditching iWeb altogether is not particularly attractive if I am to continue maintaining this site. I don't want it to sound like I don't appreciate the feedback, but come on guys.... I gotta work within my means here. I need something that will allow me to maintain an attractive site with as little "time in" as possible. In particular, meeting reports, upcoming events, and photo galleries are all updated quite regularly on the LSI site, and the faster I can get those jobs done, the better. If the tradeoff is a site that loads a bit slower than some would like, well, I suppose it's a tradeoff I'm willing to make. The alternative is that I find myself without the time to keep it updated. Keep in mind that I do have a life outside of locksports (no really, I do!) and so far I can't say the paychecks from this hobby have been anything to write home about (I couldn't even buy the stationary to write it on anyway).

Hopefully in time LSI will grow to a point where there are enough talented and willing participants that I can get some of this stuff spread around a bit more, but I can't tell you how many hours have gone into my involvement with LSI, and my involvement with LP101 (not even counting just participating here in regular threads, which I would have been doing anyway). I'm not looking for sympathy here, but cut a guy a break. :lol:

So, if it seemed as though I just brushed it all off with "I guess I can't please everyone", hopefully you understand why.

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Postby Chrispy » 31 Jan 2006 7:38

It looks good Db. Well done :)

The site does look a lot more 'underground' now though. The old style presented a much more presentable and 'above board' image which is an important part of promoting lock sports.

As for the loading, everything takes a long time to load for me so I don't mind that much. :wink:

And mis-spelling Varj's name?!? Unbelievable.... :lol:
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Postby Omikron » 31 Jan 2006 8:03

Chrispy wrote:It looks good Db. Well done :)

The site does look a lot more 'underground' now though. The old style presented a much more presentable and 'above board' image which is an important part of promoting lock sports.


Yes, I agree. That was the gist of what I was trying to say, but I didn't want to be the first to say it since I didn't know if anyone else shared my opinion.

All in all though, a good design. :-)
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Postby vector40 » 31 Jan 2006 17:59

I understand.

I haven't worked with iWeb; there may be a way to edit its template so it consistently outputs different code. But unless someone knows more, we'll have to get by.
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