LSS QUESTION

by **anbujustin** » 2 Feb 2006 2:46

Ok this question is for the people here that own LSS.

i was reading the table of contents in the security.org site and saw under non destructive methods of entry for safes as one of the topics. Is this manipulation like in the book The Art of Manipulation? Also, is this book well worth the buy or can a person just look for all the info in the book online?

I only ask because this is an expensive book.

For the people who own it, what was your understanding of locks BEFORE you bought the book? Did you learn a lot from the book if you had a lot of knowledge before hand?

thanks guys.
-justin

by **Omikron** » 2 Feb 2006 5:49

I don't think I have the strength to write how much I like this book, nor do I think anyone here has the patience to read it. However, I will say this:

This.

Book.

Is.

Worth.

Every.

Penny.

Go buy it. Now.

by **jordyh** » 2 Feb 2006 9:22

LSS, there is a reason why the dutch lockpickers call it the bible.

by **SFGOON** » 2 Feb 2006 10:22

LSS is two huge volumes of clear, well written and illustrated information on lockpicking, safe manipulation, manufacturing processes, metallurgy - everything that has anything to do with locks. Get it.

by **eric343** » 2 Feb 2006 12:13

Yeah, except the safe manipulation part needs a little more detail

Fortunately, the electronic version also includes an updated version (by Tobias) of the Art of Manipulation.

by **RenderMan** » 2 Feb 2006 13:16

Worth every penny!

As for the manipulation section; It's not the easiest to understand unless you fully understand the internals of the lock. Having a cut-away or any safe lock available makes it alot clearer as to how to do it.

I also recommend getting the CD version as the video's and extra content is well worth it.

by **SpaceCow** » 2 Feb 2006 13:21

You don't need this book. I have 2 copies, and unless you are a security expert trying to secure a building, you can learn everything else from ls010 or personal experience.

by **digital_blue** » 2 Feb 2006 13:34

Wow. I don't know that I could disagree more. Although no hobbyist "needs" the book, I dare say there is no single work on the planet that covers as much ground as LSS. If you have an unquenchable thirst for knowledge, you just can't go wrong with it.

db

by **Grudge** » 2 Feb 2006 15:06

digital_blue wrote:Wow. I don't know that I could disagree more. Although no hobbyist "needs" the book, I dare say there is no single work on the planet that covers as much ground as LSS. If you have an unquenchable thirst for knowledge, you just can't go wrong with it.db

I am with you DB. It is kinda like an encyclopedia of locks, safes and opening techiques. And like an encyclopedia, if you just buy it to find out how to make a model airplane, then you will be disappointed. The section about that is way too small. However if you want to know how planes fly, propellers, radio control devices, famous planes of WWII, pilots, navigation, control towers, winds, clouds, storms, etc. then you can get an amazing background of knowledge about the entire field. So in other words, it is not the best book on lockpicking or safe manipulation or the 1000 other topics it covers. But man, the 1000 other topics makes it all worthwhile.

by **digital_blue** » 2 Feb 2006 16:25

I couldn't have said it better myself.

db

by **illusion** » 2 Feb 2006 16:32

Could somebody who has the book tell me how relevant would it be to English/European users?

Is it universal, or largely geared towards the American audience?

Thanks

by **digital_blue** » 2 Feb 2006 16:34

There are many articles about a variety of largely European locks. I wouldn't say that it is overtly regional at all.

db

by **illusion** » 2 Feb 2006 16:58

Cheers for that!

I just wish the price would drop a bit..... like by half perhaps....

However I can't dispute it's worth every penny, I can say I don't have every penny to pay

I'll stop whining now :lol:

by **Exodus5000** » 2 Feb 2006 18:19

I've been looking into purchasing LSS+ /Locksmith version. While reading the security.org website I could not however find the listed price for this product, I've heard quotes ranging between 350 and 600 dollars.

Also, could someone tell me what kind of background check do they do for the locksmith version of LSS, I have a business license and operate a lockout business, but I'm not a member of a national organization (ALOA.)

Thanks

by **eric343** » 3 Feb 2006 0:08

The price is dependent on the version you buy!

From the website, in traditional legalese fine print: The cost of LSS+ PUBLIC is $275.00; LSS+ LOCKSMITH is $350.00, and LSS+ GOVERNMENT is $600.00.

Regarding the background check, contact security.org. I suspect that you're clear, though.

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