Lock advice for new house

by **Jlo** » 8 Mar 2006 18:31

Hi,

Moving house shortly and would like some advice on some good quality locks.

Was thinking of changing the yale lock to a Chubb BS rim lock with the AVA disk system (Bump proof and pretty pick proof unless you have a decoder from Falle)

For the Mortice I was wondering about changing the 5 lever lock to 7 lever (Does it make it a lot longer to open with a curtain pick?)

I was tempted with the new Ingersoll London Line locks but since they use Multilock dimple key which apparantly can be bumped with a bump key I have now gone off that idea.

For the back door I was thinking of either changing the cylinder to a EVVA 3KS or DPS or going for the new Chubb M3 biaxial (I think rebranded Medeco).

On the Toool netherlands website it says the Evva'a are bump proof but do you know about the Chubb M3?

In my present House I have Yale prokey cylinders (With a active ball in key 6pin mushrooms) but I guess anyone can buy a prokey, file it down and would not suprise me if you could bump the lock.

What do you guys thinks (Getting an alarm system as well)

Cheers

Jlo

by **illusion** » 8 Mar 2006 19:24

Wow... you'd think people were after you with these precautions... I guess unless people are jumping out at you with syringe needles this is taking it a bit far surely?

Ingersoll... dimple locks? - The one sitting in front of me is a 10 lever flat key one, and you can't bump it... in fact even decoding it is difficult I'm led to believe, oh yeah, and you need a decoder for them... unless you're some kind of god.

The Chubb M3 is actualy a Medeco, under patent they are allowed to make them for 3 years... It'd be easier to get than a Medeco.

Get a Chubb114, or Chubb110 - you've got a determined burglar if they pick these... 5 levers, but very good.

If you're going this far, why not dig a moat,and get a draw-bridge.. get some archers up their and have them regularly change shifts... tip the ends of the arowheads in chicken blood mixed with manuer to get maximum killing power.

by **Jlo** » 8 Mar 2006 19:34

You can probally tell locks are a bit of a hoby as well!

I will have a back patio door which you could just smash the glass but as I am moving in to the house I do want to make it as secure as possible and enjoy having so not normal cylinders!!

I have a little southord lock pick set and am suprised how easy its to pick my own house locks (Where I live know) which is why I changed to the Yale prokey.

I hope no one is after me but I would like to think if I called a lock smith out to open my locks in a lock out, which would give him the most difficulty!

Then thats the locks I want to buy. And i do beleive if this 'lock bumping' catches on a load of even quite expensive cylinder locks will be made obsolete.

Cheers

Jlo

by **Jlo** » 8 Mar 2006 19:37

BTW thanks for the advice on the Chubbs 114s and the M3 Chubb cylinder. The M3's are not to expensive either.

Have a look at www.toool.nl and down load bumping revisted (400mb file but worth a watch)

Barry Wells (A well known lock expert) DOES bump a Mutilock interactive (Pin in pin system)

Cheers

Jlo

by **illusion** » 8 Mar 2006 19:42

Well lever locks can't be bumped... Medeco/M3 cannot be bumped (unless you know the angle codes) Ingersoll cannot be bumped...

An Ingersol, if deadlocked will pose a sizeable problem to a locksmith when called out.

I'm biased towards Ingersol and Chubb myself.

by **Jlo** » 8 Mar 2006 19:58

Thanks.

Are you refering to the Ingersoll SC71?

Thanks for your advice. May go for one of those as a rim lock and the Chubb 114 mortice 5 lever for the BS lock.

The back door will chuck a M3 Chubb in there as its a multi locking door.

Have not moved in yet but will shortly. Wife will be going in to measure up furniture etc and I will be checking up the existing security and locks. Sad eh but kind of fun.

I will employ a locksmith to fit the ingersol (My woodwork skills are poor and would rather it is fitted well)l and also check the patio sliding door as I have no idea how to tell if it can be lifted out of the railes etc. The house is 11 years old. I know modern patio windows have multi locking and antilift devices.

Cheers

Jlo

by **Shrub** » 8 Mar 2006 20:00

The ingersoll has been changed from the version you both may be thinking about, its now a differant design as its been BS rated, the old one wasnt and may invalidate your insurance to some extent.

by **Jlo** » 8 Mar 2006 20:04

Thanks Shrub,

But if I have a Chubb 114 mortice BS that should satisfy insurance and then use the ingersol for extra protection.

I know the latest ingersoll is the'London Line' which is BS stamped but uses the Multilock lock. I prefer the older 10 lever lock whcih Ingersoll used before.

Thanks for the heads up though.

jlo

by **Shrub** » 8 Mar 2006 20:06

Yes your right, you seem clued up, the new one is indeed the mul-t-lock and i also like the older lever type, you will have to check with your particular insurance but yes having the 114 on there is going to be fine for insurance but i would get the new ones :wink:

by **Jlo** » 8 Mar 2006 20:08

thats the bs 2004 20mm bolt job right?

Cheers

Jlo

by **Shrub** » 8 Mar 2006 20:10

Yup, as i say youve got your head screwed on

by **Jlo** » 8 Mar 2006 20:11

Cool.

Well I will let you know how I get on once I move.

Off to bed now.

Thanks for all your help and goodnight!

Cheers

Jlo

by **Rockford** » 9 Mar 2006 6:36

I assume you've got a solid door and frame to hang all this hardware off, as it's pointless spending a fortune on locks, only to fit them onto a poor door and frame that will take little effort to kick in.

Might as well budget for some hinge bolts, hinge guards or a birmingham bar, and a London bar - real belts and braces stuff to make it harder to cave the door in.

Only problem is, once your local Jimmy the Jemmy spies your Fort Knox, he'll wonder what's on the inside that's worth all the protection !.

by **toomush2drink** » 9 Mar 2006 11:43

I agree with the ingersol (old style) and london bar, most doors get kicked in. Dont fit the 114 too high though go for knee height to spread any kicking impact.Hinge bolts and a birmingham bar down that side should make it secure if you have a good door and frame.The pation door can be fitted with an anti lift device but if your that concerned security fit a collapsible gate across it, they help in the hot weather as you can leave the door open but still have the gate across keeping dodgies out.

by **gazzaull25** » 9 Mar 2006 13:15

with all that security on ur doors and no alarm smash goes ur windows and away with ur tv
i now you said ur getting an alarm go for a company that is SSAIB or NACOS approved and you will also get cheaper insurance :wink:

then no 1 is getting in apart from you :lol:

Lock advice for new house

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