Abus Discus Locks

by **LockNewbie21** » 16 Mar 2006 16:38

I knwo they have been discussed but i was wondering.. since i am getting better at pocking, Plus they have a great deal on the on ebay. Before i go about purchasing one. What makes these so hard to pick? How many security pins, how many pins 4 5 6? And has anybody had any luck with opening these. I mean i am almost dead set of getting one i just want some good feeback to know about it when it get here. That and i might buy a medecco dead bolt.. but there so cheap they almost look like knock offs anyways any info woul dbe appreciated.

Andy

by **Jason13** » 16 Mar 2006 16:54

if your alrite with Spools Why not

Abus are a well good made up lock so be prepared for a challange

Medeco arnt just Pins and spools they have rotated pins etc but if you want to learn about them why not

Good luck on the medeco if you do get it.

by **linty** » 16 Mar 2006 18:40

i have a discus that i can't pick, doesn't help me improve my skills much since i get nowhere with it. :/

by **Jason13** » 16 Mar 2006 19:00

Try raking it and if you false set it try unfalse setting the flase set, With my Euro cylinder (Yale) I rake it so i False set on purpose then pin pick the pin till i feel the plug pushing back on my finger and setting the spool Wink Hope this helps Good luck!

by **illusion** » 16 Mar 2006 19:00

Youve got the gyst of negative plug rotation Jason. Nice one.

by **Jason13** » 16 Mar 2006 19:27

False set ( 1st spool ) http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5681/dsc000978ts.jpg

Close up on Plug http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/4285 ... lug8gq.jpg

Euro cylinder (Yale) Picked. http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/9691 ... ned6is.jpg

by **LockNewbie21** » 16 Mar 2006 20:14

Yea thats what i do to get my false sets... if you ask me, false sets are made to deter thiefs, but really it almost helps and makes it easier.. but does anybody have any more info on the abus discus locks??v

Andy

by **illusion** » 16 Mar 2006 20:41

They have 5 pins, of which 2 are spools if I rember right.

Not much mroe to say really - the lock is kinda weird shaped so might feel odd when you are picking it in your hand, but shouldn't prevnt you from picking it.

As a note there are a lot of knock-off discuss locks sold on Ebay - they are not made by Abus, and are of inferior quality ofen. Make sure the listing says that it's made by Abus.

I have a knock-off made by Yale, and it has 4 spool pins inside which is fun - the keyway is also smaller.. I'd sugggest this mate.

Probably not worth getting a Medeco *yet* - the price involved will allow you to buy quite a few normal practice locks. If you have your heart set on it, then it might be something to work towards. My Medeco still wipes the floor with my face, then kicks my arse for missing the corners.

by **Jason13** » 16 Mar 2006 21:17

After picking a Yale 2 spools What lock with spools should i go onto then?

by **LockNewbie21** » 16 Mar 2006 23:47

Thanks for the input illusion, hmm you yale knock off sounds pretty good, and as far as the meddeco..well i dream of picking thme visualize myself picking them... but in reality i am probobly so far from even gettin a pin set that its funny. But thanks for the input none the less, i will see if the have a yale version 4 spools seems like fun if you ask me. I will keep you posted on my progress if i get the abus if not then the progress on the lock i get.. as far as the medecco.. well maybe in a year or two of studying and practicing. But what is it about this illusive meddeco? why are they so hard? i am sure there hundreds of threads but just tell me the basis becuase then more then a couple locks will be explained in this thread. thankx again illusion

Andy

by **Chucklz** » 17 Mar 2006 0:18

There are several different medeco locks, but they share some common principles. 1.) The pins require rotation as well as being raised to the right height.
2.) The use of a sidebar

by **illusion** » 17 Mar 2006 9:59

Hey Andy,

Medeco are well made - in that it is harder to feel which pin binds. Normal locks have the holes quite a lot out of line meaning it is relatively easy to feel which pin is binding, but Medeco tollerances are very high requiring practice.

The normal Medeco locks are very well made, and I'd go out on a limb and say pickable deffinately, but it's the Biaxial system that people refer to when they say "Medeco".

The biaxial lock has modified bottom pins - usualy on a lock the bottoms are pointed, still with me? Well on the Biaxial they are tapered like blades, or chisels should you prefer to call them. When the correct key is inserted it does indeed lift all the pins to the right height, but it also turns the pins at the same time. The key is cut so that rather than every cut being straight, as is usual, the Medeco cuts can be cut at three different angles. When the pins settle into the key cuts they turn, and the amount of turn is vital. When they all turn the right amount the holes which have been cut into the side of the pins themselves will all point towards the side of the lock, and at this point the side-bar, which has 'teeth' sticking out of it which sink into the pins allowing the side-bar to retract and the lock open. Obviously you woiuld think it easy to tell where the holes are, so Medeco cut some 'false notches' into other sides of the pins to confuse you when you are picking - what you have to do is figure out which cuts are the true ones and which are false. Perhaps this will clear it up slightly.

Look at the cuts on this Medeco key:

Hope this helps.

Oh yeah, and my Medeco is hardly 'illusive' it actualy stares at me whilst I walk across my room - it's like the "Your country needs you" propaganda posters, where the guy's eyes follow you across the room... okay I'm exagerating...

by **LockNewbie21** » 17 Mar 2006 10:56

Well done illusion, That helped me out greatly, I semi understand lol i will read it a few times to fully grasp. As far as i read the meddecos are pickble, i actually seen a video of a guy picking a bi axle as you explained, but the clip was also 5 mins of canstant picking. They seem quite a challenge, Well i will have to save up and try and pick up a bi axle. Are there any places to get pictures of cutaways of this lock? Well actually before i waste anybodies time i will do a search and post my findings. But once again thankz illusion, well said and very interesting to say the least. Thanks buddy

Andy

by **LockNewbie21** » 18 Mar 2006 14:30

Well i found a used meddeco lock on ebay, and its roughly 30$ and has both keys. If it is allowed in this forum, how in gods name do you go abou tpicking this lock? i mean is it the same principal as the pin tumbler just that you are working with diffrent angles and a side bar? I mean i am expecting some hair pulling and swereing, and severe ciggerrete smoking from this lock, but are there and tips or ways to better you odds at picking it? I am going to try some diff. methods like 1. using my l rake to try and set some pins then fine tune with a feeler, or i might just do the feeler from the get go. I haveno idea, well it should arive in roughly two weeks, so it should give me some ample time to get some picking knowledge on it. Thanks guys and girls

Andy

by **illusion** » 18 Mar 2006 14:41

Man, I just explained how it works, but in case it wasn't explained clearly enough I'll list a few things that you need to bare in mind.

Well... the tollerances are high - even without the sidebar feeling inside the lock will be minimal.

The pins need to be rotated - yes you can figure out the true cuts, but the false ones feel so similar it's hard to tell.

Search the forum for Medeco and see what comes up.

I've only seen visual proof of it being picked pin-by-pin, so this is the only technique I would suggest...

You struggle with this lock - make no mistake.

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