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Postby LockNewbie21 » 11 Apr 2006 11:17

Ok we have a shed in out back alley that has a four wafer lock in the handel. I showed my parents the ease of opening it, now they insist that i find a lock and means of securing it to prevent unwanted entry.. we got new niehbors dont ask.. But an way i found this great 7 disc lock with gaurded shackle.. i mean this this is bad, so i have the lock, now this is where i need the pros advice. How should i go about securing htis lock to the door, no its wont be top security becuase there wooden doors, but visual deternce, making it look hardcore is the point. What would you guys suggest i use to secure the padlock, and also i was thinking of a secondary Locking mechanism, what would you also suggest?

Any tips appreciated, i am also bidding on a meddeco gaurded chackle padlock on ebay i might use and a secondary lock, if you need more info dont hestitate to ask me.

Also its securing mine andmy dads tools lawnmower gass weedwacker at least a few grand in stuff.. hense how pissed my dad got when he saw it wasnt safe.


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Postby pinsetter » 11 Apr 2006 11:55

From what I'm understanding you're wanting to make a more secure hasp.
The easiest way I've found to do this on storage sheds with wooden doors is to make backing plates for heavy duty hasps that I've purchased and then attaching them to the door with carriage bolts with the nuts on the inside.
I just make steel plates and drill holes that correspond to the screw holes in the hasp. This will prevent the hasp from being pryed off of the door.
You may have to bend the hasp a bit to clear the carriage bolt heads, but this is far more secure than just attaching them with wood screws.
Hope this helps.
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Postby pinsetter » 11 Apr 2006 12:09

Thought I might add this too, just for something to think about:

To a thief, multiple expensive locks on a building usually translates to highly valuable merchandise inside.

We all know that even the most secure lockings can be bypassed in one way or another. The last thing you want is a thief looking at your shed doors with a 7 pin disc lock and a Medeco Shrouded lock hanging there and thinking "Hmmm, I wonder what is in there that needs that kind of protection?"
Sooner or later he'll likely get brave enough to find out.

Just food for thought!
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Postby Shrub » 11 Apr 2006 12:26

Stick with the one lock and as said put plates on the inside.

If you have a window put bars across it on the inside as well.
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visual deterrance

Postby raimundo » 11 Apr 2006 12:49

good security should not rely entirely on visual deterrance, for example, if you put a strong padlock and hasp on the door, on the inside of the door, you might apply a steel bar that goes all the way accross the back inside of the door to reinforce it and have that bolted to the hasp through the door.
Visual security may simply direct an attack to a different weak point, for example, in store security, putting in video cams, and possibly suplimenting them with dummy camera domes that seem to be video cams is all good, but then the floor should be examined for those blind spots that will attract the experience thief. these should then have hidden cameras. the visual deterrance will deter the inexperienced from temptation, but there are always the smart ones, and for them, you can provide hidden traps. places that look like weaknesses, but are there to catch the undeterred. this is also true on the hardware side, don't show all the cards in your hand.
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Postby LockNewbie21 » 11 Apr 2006 13:30

Makes very much sence, and thank you for the help, now that yo mention it the intimadating locks would actually arose the suspiscion of those who are knoweldgeable. But i will use what you have told me many thanks guy knew i could count on your guys. Just a little side story that goes with the dummy cameras.. welll actually its kind of a reverese. My buddy who i have coffee with in the mourning is a cop, he once told me this story of a mjor dfrug dealer who tried to ward of people and police with dummy cameras, so upon investigtion the police actually in the night placed real working wireless cameras in the dummies and he got busted, i thought that was a brilliant idea, imagine trying to outsmart the police but instead you completly turned around on your own attempts! it was just a brilliant story had to share. Thanks again shub, ray everyone.


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Postby pip » 11 Apr 2006 15:46

what shape is the shed itself in ?
is the whole shed made of wood
is it old - wood-rot - new - sturdy - flimsy
is the shed against another wall ?
even with a strong secure door
there are 3 other walls that could be bypassed
are there any windows......
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Postby Gundanium » 11 Apr 2006 17:26

If theft is a likely thing, you might wanna dirty up the lock, and yeah all that plate stuff, haha one thing noticed in someplaces, the lock is more expensive than the latches the lock is holding shut, might wanna make sure those are tip top as well.
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Shed

Postby Buzzzy » 2 May 2006 10:20

If you are wanting to secure a shed that is not very vault like then Pip is right. There are many weak points other than the door.
You might want to consider an electronic solution, a few vibration switches, a simple time delay reset etc. can be made from Radio Shack parts.
If you're not up to this, a friend might be able to help.

Another solution might be a car alarm, I see them all the time at flea markets, for just a few dollars.

Hope this helps
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