Help with lock pick and what they do

[uselessid133]

I no theres a topic under beginner but i was hoping for some more information ( what it does) if u no plz help

[h3x1lu2]

1. double bump rake - raking, scrubbing pins
2. snow man (double ball) - picking wafer locks
3. short diamond - picking individual (more advanced technique with this pick) or raking

4. [looks like] broken key extractor - take out broken key bits or pick bits
5. snake (rake) - raking, scrubbing pins
6. hook/feeler pick - individual picking of pins

that was just at a glance, I'm not sure if I got all the specifics down, but it'll give you an idea

viewtopic.php?t=7568

for more info, go to the link above

Hope it helped

[duckxtales]

Hi,

I'm new here... but i have some basic questions..

how do wafer locks look like?

[MeisBarry]

Here's a guide about wafer locks:

viewtopic.php?t=10541

[mrhappy]

I have seen the double and single ball for wafer locks, which one is generally more effective?

[Olcaytug]

double is used for scrubbing wafer locks... that's all the difference as far as I know...

[Olcaytug]

One thing to add:

raking is always more effective.. as long as you have the right tool..
No need for a wide variety of tools or different depth combinations.. just right pick dimensions for that lock, right slimness and slopes of curves (which you can find experimentally by cutting snakes with different thicknesses of files).

But raking is nearly useless against safety pins.... where Raminuindo's technique comes into mind; combining raking and jiggling and continuously changing the torque, using bogata style picks.

I use pin picking only for exercising & against lock models that I approach for the first time (when I lack the proper snakes until I experiment new ones for that lock model).

But I'm trying to become a locksmith as a second profession... so as a hobbiest you can chose to pin pick only... or you can rake only with a hook, which is an extremely powerful but ignored technique.

Regards...

[LockNewbie21]

Yea i follow rays principle, i havent had the pleasure of using his picks, but for all my practice locks with security pins its much better to use the rake to get a good false set then a trusty hook or diamond to set the security pins. I have raked open security locks but i assure you it was luck as it has only happened maybe five times out of the thousands of time i have picked my locks. Its just your strategy, with expiernce comes good ones for all diffrent locks.


Andy

[Olcaytug]

One thing to add:

I use pin picking only for exercising & against lock models that I approach for the first time (when I lack the proper snakes until I experiment new ones for that lock model).

I was to sleepy yesterday. When I read this now, I realise that I gave the impression that one needs many rakes... No, on the contrary, just a few different curves for some different lock models, but most will work for others.

I think having a bunch of snake variations for different lock combinations is unneccessary and useless. These sets are usually cut with the same curve angles & whenever one doesn't work on a lock, most probably others won't work too. the point is the angles - not the combinations! Perhaps having two rakes for each lock type, one having a deep set at the tip, other at the back, can help picking in less time. But even that is not neccessary.

Regards

[Olcaytug]

I have raked open security locks but i assure you it was luck as it has only happened maybe five times out of the thousands of time i have picked my locks.

Then you should really try bogotas friend! I can open my 4/6 spool pin euro cylinder each time I use them, less than in 2 minutes!!! They aren't too hard to master and before using them, it was really painful to pick security pins!

Regards