union lock

by **marshall** » 14 Apr 2006 9:18

Union J-26 X 19 - BB Key and Turn Cylinder (Reference #Union2619)
hi everyone, i have a quick question about this type of lock. i have one of these in the vice(one a friend brought home from work with no keys)the lock description says PICK and DRILL PROOF,will this mean it will also be BUMP PROOF? i have tried picking by hand,by snap gun,and a little bumping,but all no good.on ones we have taken apart before at the back of the keyway there is a pin lying horizontal,which the tip of the key would push against when pushed in. if pushed in too far it seems like it stops the barrel turning. i would have liked to remove the barrel to check the bumpkey inside with the pins to see the valleys low enough etc, (official union bumpkeys,so should be ok),but cant remove as i dont have the keys,dont want to drill.thanks for reading ,any help or suggestions would be appreciated

by **Shrub** » 14 Apr 2006 9:43

Its not pick proof, bump proof nor drill proof.

Pick it, it should be easy unless its a restricted keyway version then you may have some trouble getting the tols you have in but still very possable.

If you have a blank, shim it and strip it down that way.

In my experiance the Unions are not that hard of a pick and a bit easier than the standard yales unless as i say the restricted keyway versions which at times can be a bit difficult to get your hand tools in.

by **timelord** » 14 Apr 2006 9:47

Standard bumpkeys, i.e. 999 keys with normally maximum cuts, tend not to work as well if the true key has maximum cuts. That is why people often use 10,10,10 keys with slightly deeper than maximum cuts.

by **marshall** » 14 Apr 2006 9:56

thanks for that shrub,it has a good wide keyway,what should i do about the horizontal pin at back?should it be left alone? am i wrong about that?
sorry to be a pain,but could you explain briefly about 'shimming with the blank' thanks,marshall

by **marshall** » 14 Apr 2006 10:08

thanks timelord,do you suggest i take a bit more off the keys(i have a set of copys made yesterday)which i could file by hand,should i leave the heights of the peaks and file in valleys? or other way? there are 3 keys with CERRIBO UN19 (i think) the instructions say numbered 1 to 3 but dont see them,thanks,marshall.

by **jimb** » 14 Apr 2006 10:09

marshall wrote:sorry to be a pain,but could you explain briefly about 'shimming with the blank' thanks,marshall

I'm not familiar with this lock but to shim it you have to have access to the pins from the back of the lock. If you do then read this thread:

http://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?t=10505&highlight=shim+blank

by **Shrub** » 14 Apr 2006 11:17

Follow that guide, to shim with a blank insert it all the way and insert the shim, push gently on the shim whilst slowly pulling the blank out, the shim should hit the shearlines.

Im not sure what you are on abaout with your bump keys are you saying youve bought a set of space and depth keys you are useing as bump keys? for a bump key you have one key and thats it, make sure youve removed a bit off the tip and a bit off the shoulder, have a read up on the various bump threads and look out for Zekes bump guide in particular.

by **marshall** » 15 Apr 2006 10:33

thanks for everyones help,i have taken photos hopefully this link should work,thanks marshall.
http://www.putfile.com/256marshall

by **Shrub** » 15 Apr 2006 10:45

I see what you meant by handle now, thats a thubturn :wink:

Its also a euro cylinder.

You should be able to still strip it down but as a follower you need to use discs instead of a long rod,

I would go get a cylinder if just starting out but yes this lock should be a realatively easy pick.

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